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Enhanced LORAN
Me | November 29, 2019 | Moi.

Posted on 11/29/2019 6:56:51 PM PST by MrEdd

I have been looking for a list of proposed station locations for implementation of Enhanced LORAN.

Anybody know where to find that? My searches all wind up with demonstrations of the signals from four or five years ago and nothing newer. I had assumed that it wouldn't need as many stations as LORAN C but I can't find anything about the requirements.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Reference
KEYWORDS: loran; lorane
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Anybody have a source?
1 posted on 11/29/2019 6:56:51 PM PST by MrEdd
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To: MrEdd

The Coast Guard ran the Loran A and C programs along with the DGPS. Maybe they can help.


2 posted on 11/29/2019 7:01:32 PM PST by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: MrEdd

Been a few years for flying and sailing for me, but is LORAN still in use?


3 posted on 11/29/2019 7:10:18 PM PST by dinodino
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To: dinodino

The loran may still be used for navigation, but I have had no problem using my I phone GPS on the Tennessee River System with my small sailboat and it does fine describing my locations with graphic pictures and landmarks..


4 posted on 11/29/2019 7:18:26 PM PST by Desparado
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To: dinodino

Pretty sure it was taken down. I recall one station in ME(?) failing in the 1990s, and with GPS accuracy surging, the cost/benefit of repairing and maintaining LORAN was no longer justifiable.


5 posted on 11/29/2019 7:20:31 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: MrEdd

It’s dead, Jim.


6 posted on 11/29/2019 7:22:17 PM PST by damper99
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To: Desparado

My last sailboat was destroyed by a hurricane in 2016, but I had not used LORAN for ages. I was using GPS navigation.


7 posted on 11/29/2019 7:23:00 PM PST by dinodino
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To: dinodino

You are better off than I am. My time was about 50 years ago now. We used it to locate our LST, but the OX and 1st class quartermaster took morning and evening fixes when they could to confirm where we were. My most clear memory of it was that it positioned us 50 miles closer to Okinawa than we actually were as we approached from the North. It was nice that the error was not in the other direction.


8 posted on 11/29/2019 7:24:23 PM PST by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: MrEdd

Loran was shut down in 2010.

https://navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=loranMain


9 posted on 11/29/2019 7:27:02 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: Retain Mike

The only (very minor) advantage I can see is that LORAN will not be degraded a la GPS in the case of military action...however, anything using LORAN for navigation shouldn’t care about GPS degradation anyway.


10 posted on 11/29/2019 7:27:28 PM PST by dinodino
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To: dinodino

https://www.gps.gov/policy/legislation/loran-c/


11 posted on 11/29/2019 7:30:43 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Clutch Martin
LORAN now useless and ridiculous. Why still funded other than another US taxpayer money sink?
12 posted on 11/29/2019 7:32:49 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

That’s Loran C.

Loran E paused when Obama was elected, but it was supposed to be implemented as a backup to and more electronic warefare capable alternative to GPS.


13 posted on 11/29/2019 7:33:53 PM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: A strike

Because GPS appears to have been successfully spoofed at sea.


14 posted on 11/29/2019 7:34:55 PM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: A strike

“LORAN now useless and ridiculous. “

Trump says otherwise.


15 posted on 11/29/2019 7:38:22 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: MrEdd

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/08/23/a-new-gps-spoofing-technology-could-be-used-to-control-military-ships-and-drones

There should be an alternative to GPS other than a sextant.


16 posted on 11/29/2019 7:44:03 PM PST by DBrow
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https://www.c4isrnet.com/c2-comms/satellites/2019/05/17/government-leaders-worry-about-gps-spoofing-hacking/


17 posted on 11/29/2019 7:44:43 PM PST by DBrow
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To: MrEdd

OK, but LORAN could also be spoofed; and almost no one can use LORAN now.

I certainly don’t believe that the U.S mil is dependent on it, 1960 tech.


18 posted on 11/29/2019 8:02:38 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: dinodino

We have GPS on our boat along with the chart plotter. Works well for us.

Then again, we were cruising down Skull Creek behind Hilton Head and GPS had us 100ft to the west on land. Depth finder had us in 25ft of water. As the GPS straightened itself out, it was interesting to watch the boat moving sideways on the chart as we went forward.


19 posted on 11/29/2019 8:35:30 PM PST by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: A strike

Yah , totally useless to have a backup to GPS that doesn’t rely on satellites thst are vulnerable to attack.

Russia still operates their hyperbolic navigation system, guess they must be reslly dumb.


20 posted on 11/29/2019 8:38:43 PM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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