Posted on 05/17/2018 2:49:31 PM PDT by Norski
I had better give you this article to vet, as well as kanawa.
http://www.animals24-7.org/2018/01/17/pit-bull-roulette-killed-38000-other-animals-in-2017/
One pit bull in 80 kills an animal or human in any given year
Since there are only about 3.7 million pit bulls in the U.S. at any given time, the odds start at about one chance in 80 that any given pit bull will kill a human or animal in any given year––compared to about one chance in 24,666 that any given dog of any other breed will kill any pet or farmed animal.
That’s right: the odds are 308 times higher that a pit bull will kill a human, pet, or farmed animal in any given year than that a dog other than a pit bull will.
This pit bull raced unattended into a busy supermarket, but Beth Clifton caught him before anyone was hurt. (Beth Clifton photo)
Multiply that one chance in 80 by the 10-year average lifespan of a dog, and about one pit bull in eight will become a killer––if the pit bull lives a normal lifespan. With a turnover rate of nearly 33% per year, and 50% for adult pit bulls, most do not live even half a normal lifespan.
Risk
Yes.
The address of the article I sent you is not a dogsbite.org article.
It is good that you are posting. I am trying to find a way so that BSL is not the only option that comes into mind when these maulings and killings occur. You have a point of view; it is important. It is good that you are acting and posting as a responsible, non-attacking pit bull type dog owner. It is needed. Thank you.
My black lab/border collie mix herds US. Pushed my husband down the road if husband does not move appropriately.
That is a riveting drawing. Thank you for posting it. Fascinating. Those look like about 4-inch panes of glass; this must have been a prosperous establishment at the time.
It also makes me think; every time I look at a big gym, with all the exercise treadmills and such, I wonder if they could be used to power the building and business, given enough batteries. I have never done the numbers, but am sure that they exist somewhere.
(The effort required to power a 60-watt bulb on a specially designed bicycle 20 years ago was significant.)
Since I am an expert on bull terriers, I am qualified to answer the question why pitbulls attack.
It is very complicated but I will try to sum it up in one word....
Russians
A friend of mine received an Akbash rescue, also with aggression issues. This was many years ago, and before I knew enough about them to be appropriately careful. As both breeds are hardworking and independent livestock guardians capable of dealing with wolves, I imagine that you face similar challenges.
Beautiful, highly intelligent dogs, both breeds, and not for most people and living situations.
There is a captioned internet image on my other computer I am trying to find. Perhaps you can find it. The photo is of two guilty-looking dogs, and the caption is:
WE’RE GLAD YOU’RE HOME.
THE RUSSIANS POOPED IN THE HALLWAY.
Merritt Clifton (removed my suggestion of what you can do with him)
He gets his info from newspaper reports.
He is NOT a researcher.
He is for the abolition of animal husbandry.
He’s a frikken looney toon fanatic.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/merritt-clifton-pit-bulls_b_5866176.html
https://merritcliftondebunked.blogspot.ca/
http://www.swaylove.org/talking-with-merritt-clifton
http://laanimalwatch.blogspot.ca/2008/06/merrit-cliftons-methodology.html
As someone remarked, “ he’s a twit who is trying to fit a half-baked personal belief into pseudo-scientific clothing”
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From Merritt Clifton
April 13, 2003
Rachel Kizer
K. Bakeman
c/o Langley Middle School
Dear Mrs. Kizer & Ms. Bakeman:
Wolf has informed us that your classes during the next several weeks have been assigned to raise funds for Heifer Project International, and that a portion of his grade will depend on his participation.
Wolf will not be participating in any activity whatsoever to benefit Heifer Project International, which we view as one of the most ecologically destructive and economically imperialistic projects ever to ravage the Third World in the name of “taking up the white man’s burden”—a concept which was very much on the mind of Indiana farmer and evangelical Christian missionary Dan West when he founded HPI in 1947.
Heifer Project International is still very much an evangelical Christian sectarian organization, as the accompanying HPI bylaws, taken from the 2002 HPI filing of IRS Form 990, make very clear. It is therefore constitutionally questionable whether a public school should be encouraging, let alone coercing students to participate in HPI fundraising regardless of the other issues at hand.
Beyond that, Heifer Project International, as regards trying to eliminate world hunger, is part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
This is no original insight of mine. Mohandas Gandhi identified rising per capita meat consumption by the rich and middle classes as a major cause of starvation by the poor—and warned that even if the poor could afford to eat meat at the rate of the rich, the earth might not withstand the strain of producing so much grain to feed livestock. Paul Erlich and Frances Moore Lappe warned as far back as the 1960s that U.S.-led efforts to promote more animal husbandry in the underdeveloped world were deeply misguided.
Lester Brown of the Worldwatch Institute, Jeremy Rifkin of the Foundation for Economic Trends, Diet For A New America author John Robbins, the late agricultural reform advocate Henry Geiger of the Manas Institute, the Indian agricultural reformer Vandana Shiva, and the late Henry Spira, founder of the Coalition for Nonviolent Food, among many others, have reached similar conclusions.
In 1997 I personally investigated the impact of animal agriculture on the poor, with specific reference to the role of Heifer Project International as one of the most important mechanisms in persuading Third World nations to adopt a meat-centered diet.
My report, The Meat Mob Muscles In, also accompanies this letter, along with various articles summarizing the findings of Rifkin, Robbins, Brown, et al.
Even beyond that report and the other items with it, there are still further points to make—in particular, about the fallacious image that Heifer Project International promotes of livestock farming, quite beyond the fallacy that it is effectively fighting hunger.
Heifer Project International raises funds by appealing to the myth of Old MacDonald’s Farm, where all the animals were supposedly treated kindly, before they were eaten. Recipients of their literature who may know the truth of how nearly 10 billion animals per year are raised and killed for meat in the U.S. (approximately a third of the total global slaughter) are encouraged to believe that Old MacDonald’s Farm may still exist somewhere abroad.
If Old Macdonald’s Farm still exists anywhere, we have not seen it, in visits to rural regions of every continent. But then, it never did—not as city-dwellers imagine it.
I know the actuality of Old Macdonald’s Farm because I lived on such a farm for many years in rural Quebec. I shoveled manure by hand, helped to feed cows, chickens, ducks, sheep, and hogs, chopped firewood with an ax, baled hay, and drank warm milk straight from the milking bucket — and I saw what really went on there, and on all the neighbors’ farms in that then very remote rural community, where many of the old-timers had never traveled more than 50 miles from their birthplace, some still ploughed with horses, and a considerable number were illiterate.
Old MacDonald drowned kittens, shot dogs, chopped the heads off chickens, slashed pigs’ throats, flogged his horses when in a bad mood — and tacked coyotes’ bullet-riddled hides to the barn door, below the deer skulls.
Inheriting the remnants of this barnyard paradise, Old Mac’s sons built pig or chicken factories under contract to conglomerates, or pushed calves into veal crates.
(I stopped drinking milk in 1982 when my stomach rebelled after hearing cows bawl for their calves, as the calves bawled back from the truck taking them away.)
Old Mac probably didn’t intend to be as mean as he was — at least not all of the time — but he really didn’t want to “know better,” and like a lot of other people in traditional cultures, he resisted any effort to persuade him to change his ways.
Old MacDonald’s wife was just as hardened to animal suffering. One of Kim’s most traumatic early memories was of visiting her grandparents in Tennessee and seeing her grandmother wring the neck off a chicken to fry for Sunday dinner — a meal Kim couldn’t stomach.
The sentimentally remembered earth-wisdom of bygone people and times, which Kim and I both saw first-hand, is in truth just a projection of disenchantment with here-and-now. Painfully aware of current atrocities against animals, we wish there was a time when kindness prevailed — a wish as old as the Hebrew story of the Garden of Eden.
Heifer Project International speaks to that wish, while preparing the Third World to accept the advent of the pig and chicken factories that inevitably follow the adoption of greater economic reliance on animal husbandry.
In truth, agriculture in any form that includes killing animals was never kind.
On Old MacDonald’s farm, the process of denial began with encouraging children to hunt and trap, and to bond with animals raised as 4-H projects—animals whom the children were later forced to tearfully sell for slaughter.
That still goes on right here on Whidbey Island, right next door to the Langley Middle School at the county fairgrounds, and should be recognized by now as a form of psychological child abuse.
Elsewhere, the initiation rite is roughing up animals in amateur rodeos. Sometimes that is combined with raising a 4-H animal. Once the child no longer considers animals’ pain, he or she is ready to become a livestock farmer.
Desensitizing methods vary from place to place. Within the Third World they include public rites such as animal sacrifice, still practiced in parts of Africa, India, and elsewhere, bullfighting in Spain, France, and Latin America, and beating, burning, or boiling dogs and cats to death in Korea before eating them, to name just a few of the atrocities we are familiar with.
Around the world, societies that practice animal husbandry are desensitized societies. The abuse of animals inevitably spills over into the treatment of women and children. Polygamy, forced marriage, female genital mutilation, and slavery persist in in many of the very regions that Heifer Project International serves, for example, as extensions of common agricultural practice to those of our own species who are least able to protect themselves.
So what can we do to stop the cruelty where it begins, feed the hungry, and create a happier, healthier, more just world?
I contemplated that question a lot on cold Quebec winter evenings beneath the northern lights, which hinted at miracles but gave no answers. Years would pass before I met Kim and Wolf was born. Together we found our answer, in publishing ANIMAL PEOPLE, creating a global community of people who care about animals and stand up, even in the most difficult and inhospitable places, to oppose all cruelty.
Wolf has been part of our nonprofit work his entire life. Apart from his very valuable contributions as our illustrator, he has contributed art to many other nonprofit projects, including Spay/USA, the International Companion Animal Welfare Conference, the McKee Project in Costa Rica, the Primarily Primates sanctuary, and the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society.
~Merritt Clifton
This is it. I grew up in a family of dog and horse breeders. We had pointers to hunt birds, border collies to work livestock, coonhounds to hunt raccoons, foxhounds, and quarter horses bred to work and cut cattle. pit bulls have been selectively bred for aggression and fighting. Good breeding programs work, I’ve seen it my whole life.
Ah hah, thank you. Mine has different dogs, but the sentiment is the same.
Pitbulls are gentle.
Islam is peace.
Poop don’t stink.
I know that.... and FR is NOT dogsbite.org, despite your efforts to turn it into it.
You want to do something?
Start looking at the causal factors common to ALL dog attacks.
Start recommending solutions that are common to ALL dog attacks.
Start caring abvout the victims of ALL dog attacks.
Get off your fanatic ‘pitbull’ jihad.
There are tons of resources that give advice on stopping ALL dog attacks.
I have no problem with dog attack stories are posted if the goal is to examine
the factors involved in the attack and suggest preventive measures.
If the goal is to demonize a type of dog and all their owners,
to call for draconian government measures such as bannings, seizures, and ‘kill them all’ solutions, then you are no FRiend of mine.
Here’s one I posted on FR 13 years ago...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1350012/posts
Here is one of my comments to that story
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I posted this thread in spite of the fact that one of the three dogs responsible for fatal attacks was a pit bull and that one of the two dogs involved in a non-fatal attack is identified as a pit bull.
I love my AmStaff and admire his breed.
I don’t like putting out negative press but the issue of dog bite prevention is too important to avoid the facts.
My hope was it would stimulate a discussion on bite prevention beyond the blanket, ‘Oh, It’s a pit bull of course’.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that it’s a trend but it is a set of 5 attacks on a baby in a swing.
Yes, pit bulls and other dogs have been known to go after kids with or without a swing.
But that is irrelevant to addressing these particular attacks.
It is proper to look at these instances and seek to discover any commonalities and make recommendations to prevent future attacks
A search shows the 1999 Maryland fatal attack is attributed to 2 dogs, a Chow and a Dachshund. Doesn’t say which one was Alpha.
The other two dogs will have to go unidentified for now.
We are not told is the age of the dogs and whether they had previous exposure to babies. In one case we’re told the dog had been around since the victim’s brother was four, hardly a baby.
We’re given the ages of the victims..
Baltimore - 2 weeks
Edgemere - 3 months
Tampa - 18 days
Summerville - ??
Peru - 9 weeks
Relevant? Is 2 weeks or 18 days way too soon to be putting a baby in a swing? Does it reflect on the responsibility of the parents?
Circumstances....
baby’s mother left him to answer the front door
her mother left the room to warm a bottle for her
bit baby in front of mother
had gone to the store while her husband napped
his parents slept in another room
4 out of 5 cases - baby left alone with dog
The Experts.....
Doctor of state’s medical examiner’s office suggests motion may trigger prey drive
-An Italian lady doctor, no mention of credentials, while conceding movement can trigger attack she’s not convinced, cites attacks in cribs and beds.
- Dog trainer-25 years and an Animal Behaviorist recommend desensitization
The only thing all agree on is not leaving a baby unattended.
Whether we agree or not with the experts theory on triggering mechanism (Some Freepers have suggested jealousy could be a factor) we can’t ignore that 4 out of 5 times these attacks took place baby was left unattended.
A look at the site I linked[no longer active] above shows contributing factors....
1994 out of 14 deaths, 4 -”Unsupervised child”
1995 out of 13 deaths, 1 -”Unsupervised child” and 1 - “Infant death”
1996 out of 17 deaths, 2 -”Unsupervised child”, 2 -”Infant death”, and 1 -”One day old infant left with dog”
1997 out of 20 deaths, 5 -”Unsupervised child” and 1 -”Infant death”
1998 out of 9 deaths, 1-”Unsupervised child”
1999 out of 26 deaths, 3 -”Unsupervised child”, 2 -”Infant death”, 1 -”Infant in baby swing”
2002 out of 15 deaths, 2 -”Unsupervised child” and 1-”Infant death”
2004 out of 24 deaths, 5-”Unsupervised child” and 1-”Infant in baby swing”
The site also shows that numerous breeds are involved in fatal attacks.
The conclusion I’m forced to draw is that leaving a baby alone with a dog is risk
and no matter how small that risk might be it’s, not worth taking a chance. The possible consequences are too dire.
All dog owners should be aware of the danger and behave accordingly.
Large breed owners should be particularly concerned since the majority of fatal attacks are by large dogs.
Small dogs can cause extensive damage and their owners should not take the risk lightly.
No one should get cocky that their dog, “the big suck” isn’t capable of behaving aggressively.
Pit Bulls do 90% of the violent attacks.
That was an old FReeper post.
RDO Woof!
...and you make serious posts.
Well, I wasn’t so old when I posted it but I am older now.
A friend who volunteers at the kennel said 8 pits came in that were used for fighting. They had to euthanize them all because they can’t be socialized. She sees a lot of cases like that. She told me that when a pit clamps it’s jaws down the only way to possibly get them to release is to pick up and lift their back legs.
In response to your question, I asked you to read an article, - not from dogsbite.org - and check to see if the information in this article was accurate. Especially the numbers, - the statistics included - as that was contained in your question.
I understand that you do not regard me as your FRiend. Nor do I regard you as one. What I was hoping - what I search for - is a “worthy adversary”, a “devil’s advocate”, a voice of reason, a logical debating partner.
I think that this may not be possible between us at this time, as you appear to be mistaking the messenger for the message. But I thank you for your posting, and for making your position clear.
I hope there is a special circle in Hell for dog fighters.
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