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The U.S. Army is Looking for Its First New Submachine Gun Since WWII
Popular Mechanics ^ | May 11, 2018 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 05/14/2018 5:17:12 AM PDT by C19fan

In a surprise move, the U.S. Army is asking industry for ideas for a new submachine gun. The last time the Army adopted a submachine gun was in 1943. It’s not clear why the Army wants a new subgun but it likely has to do with the service's eventual adoption of a new rifle caliber and new assault rifle.

Submachine guns were developed during the World War I as an alternative to bulky, slow-firing bolt action rifles. Short and firing pistol caliber ammunition, they were ideal weapons for assault troops clearing narrow trenches of enemy troops. The U.S. Army went into World War II with the M1928A1 Thompson submachine gun, which fired the same .45 ACP round as the M1911A1 pistol. Towards the end of the war the Thompson was supplemented by the M3 “Grease Gun”, also in .45 ACP.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns
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US special forces and black ops did use the Swedish M45 in Vietnam.
1 posted on 05/14/2018 5:17:12 AM PDT by C19fan
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I’m sure you’ll find more than a few MP5s in certain Special Forces’ weapons lockers.


2 posted on 05/14/2018 5:24:02 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: C19fan

A friend used a recaptured M3 grease gun in Vietnam.


3 posted on 05/14/2018 5:25:14 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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Me want.

4 posted on 05/14/2018 5:27:54 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: Vaquero

I got to fire one of those a few years back (grease gun)...it was interesting.

Holding it, the construction didn’t seem all that impressive to me, but it was firing it that was most interesting...the rate of fire seemed very slow, but then I again, I had the opportunity to fire a SAW the same day, so just about anything is slow in comparison to THAT!

But I think having .45 slugs going downrange, albeit at a slower rate, far makes up for it...that can’t be good to be on the receiving end of that.


5 posted on 05/14/2018 5:29:49 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: Fresh Wind

I got to fire a Thompson...that was a hoot.

I had automatic weapons envy after that!


6 posted on 05/14/2018 5:30:51 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Got about $30,000? Thanks to the republicans full auto is priced beyond most of us and limited to designs in production prior to 1986


7 posted on 05/14/2018 5:33:05 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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Annnnnnd,

Looks like popular mechanics doesn't like adblocker

8 posted on 05/14/2018 5:37:39 AM PDT by onona (Hope, Faith, Love)
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This is one likely candidate:

https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/submachine-guns/mp7a1/mp7a1/technical-data.html


9 posted on 05/14/2018 5:44:23 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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The RFI specifically requested 9x19mm. This is a more likely candidate:

https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/submachine-guns/ump/ump/overview.html

10 posted on 05/14/2018 5:50:09 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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“A friend used a recaptured M3 grease gun in Vietnam.”

I packed a Thompson or a Grease Gun on occasion while in Vietnam. Also, had a selector switch on my issue M-14.


11 posted on 05/14/2018 5:55:44 AM PDT by snoringbear (W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Fresh Wind

“Keep the change, you filthy Animal!”


12 posted on 05/14/2018 5:58:00 AM PDT by Nonplussed
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To: from occupied ga

Wrong. That amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act was passed on a voice vote over Republican objections, by a Democrat controlled congress.


13 posted on 05/14/2018 6:03:57 AM PDT by bruoz
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The UMP has all the shooting ergonomics of a high end toaster oven. Stock is too long, trigger is amazingly heavy, magazines are long on the .40 and odd shaped on the 9mm.

It is really reliable, and easy to break down and clean. It is pretty accurate. I have a .40 cal at work and prefer my M-4 with a 10” barrel. Spare mag carriage and left handed issues are my biggest complaints.

14 posted on 05/14/2018 6:11:11 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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Shouldn't we get permission from Ashley Judd, Morgan Freeman and David AttentionHogg? 😀
15 posted on 05/14/2018 6:26:25 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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Lol. Full auto on an M14 was one hell of a thing.


16 posted on 05/14/2018 6:32:37 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: C19fan

Why 90 buy the FN P90?Its a compact point and shoot weapon.


17 posted on 05/14/2018 6:44:17 AM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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H&K MP5/40. Or MP5/10.

It’s already out there


18 posted on 05/14/2018 6:45:01 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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Give us a .45 ACP!


19 posted on 05/14/2018 7:07:07 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Quit calling them liberals, progressives, or Democrats. Call them what they are: COMMUNISTS!)
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To: Vaquero

HK MP7 suppressed is a very decent weapon too...


20 posted on 05/14/2018 7:17:03 AM PDT by Geronimo (God Bless America and President Donald J. Trump...)
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