Posted on 12/18/2017 8:10:14 PM PST by lowbridge
Retired Cmdr. David Fravor spent 18 years as a Navy pilot, but nothing prepared him for what he witnessed during a routine training mission on Nov. 14, 2004.
"I can tell you, I think it was not from this world," Fravor told ABC News. "I'm not crazy, haven't been drinking. It was — after 18 years of flying, I've seen pretty much about everything that I can see in that realm, and this was nothing close."
Fravor's stunning retelling of his encounter off the California coast with what appeared to be a 40-foot-long wingless object that flew at incredible speeds in an erratic pattern comes as the Pentagon revealed the existence of a secret program to investigate sightings of UFOs.
The program was shut down in 2012 because of other budget priorities, according to the Pentagon.
"I have never seen anything in my life, in my history of flying that has the performance, the acceleration — keep in mind this thing had no wings," Fravor said.
He recalled flying his F/A-18 fighter on a training mission on a beautiful Southern California day 13 years ago when things started to get strange.
Controllers on one of the Navy ships on the water below reported objects that were dropping out of the sky from 80,000 feet and going "straight back up," Fravor said.
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Zero Point Propulsion vehicle - we had them for a long time.
I don’t see today’s press release by Boeing (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3614885/posts) as merely coincidental given the coordinated disclosure by the various msm outlets Saturday re: the government tracking UFOs.
“I think the USA and other nations have long had technology developed far beyond what we know (by normal engineering development - not aliens) “
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Trouble is that unveiling Zero Point Propulsion tech (something we’ve had for a very long time) would not only revolutionize travel on all scales, but would, in one swoop, basically end using any other sort of method for transportation and for power generation. Lots of resistance to its revelation is likely from various corporate empires, since the tech itself is relatively simple - homemade devices are not out of the question here.
Although, simple is relative and may be over the head of many on FR, since “it is impossible and therefore cannot exist,” despite being first described mathematically by James Clerk Maxwell in the 18th century. The really neat thing about this tech is, in the moment it is described, every one says “impossible,” dismissing it and the person talking about it, therefore the easier it becomes to keep the secret. Cool, eh?
“Its because given the laws of physics”
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The basis of the laws as we know them are descended for the 18th century mathematician James Clerk Maxwell, who proposed 200 field equations which were completely misunderstood at the time.
An other man (Oliver Heaviside), uneducated but self-taught, who lived in his mom’s basement, declared all 200 abominations. He threw out all but 4 which he transformed into vector equations - from those four came out entire knowledge of the electromagnetic spectrum and all that descends from that knowledge. All that Einstein and Tesla conceived came form those four twisted equations.
Had the full 200 been utilized as field equations, instead of dismissed or twisted, we would be living in an entirely different world today. The laws of physics are what our betters say they are, not necessarily what the laws actually are.
“Show me one sane Chairman of the Department of ...”
Agendas agendas. Reality is what we have been told it is, everything else is easily dismissed as not credible and therefore no one investigates - especially Chairmen of a department - ones with the most vested interests in the status quo.
Investigation on an academic level means grants, funds of all sorts, not to mention reputations to protect - one does not get those funds by stepping on the toes (so to speak) of a Chairmen of a department. The list of things that were heralded as ‘impossible’, ‘false’, ‘snake oil’, and the like which later not only proved true, but revealed the agendas of those that controlled the discipline, are legion.
The comfort of the status quo is difficult to give up, but it has to happen, from time to time, or we would be corresponding by feather quill and ink, on making marks on clay tablets.
And many authors of science fiction write that because it is the only format which holds the possibility of escaping the seven forms of fiction, and because they are, in fact, scientists themselves writing what is scientifically possible and provable, but not necessarily observable in the world at large or common knowledge.
They could be just playing on it to hype what they are going to show. But I would not get too excited as anything truly revolutionary to us, just means its ‘old hat’ to them and time to capitalize.
“When that happens, the “laws” get extended, or modified, or come to be seen as a special case of a more general continuum of behavior, not normally seen in everyday life.”
Yes, and surely we will witnessed many more things that don’t fit with our current understanding of how the universe works.
Ah, a crowd follower. ... Or is it your job to play this game on the Internet? Yes, you are sorry, quite sorry.
Crowd follower? Hmmmm. All you have to do is prove that Einstein and his General Theory of Relativity was wrong. Otherwise the speed of light remains the limit. Therefore no biological or mechanical entity from another star could ever reach earth. Admire people who think out of the box. However the line between consensus and delusion is awfully thin. It is easily crossed.
You are articulate and insightful. However you are very far out on a very thin limb if you are arguing that Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity is wrong. Until Einstein is proven wrong by a serious thinker or tinkerer in or out of the academic world, then the speed of light remains the limit. Until Einstein is proven wrong, it is delusion to believe that a biological or mechanical entity from another star has actually visited earth. Demonstrate the theory or the real hard evidence.
Gas is probably still $0.17 a gallon out there.
No, I do not ‘need’ to meet your criteria. But your insistence is a huge clue to your closed-mindedness. Have nice day, Sorry.
imagining civilizations that are a few hours or days ahead, and what they have for moving really fast, is the stuff of my dreams.
I did not mean to imply AE was wrong, only that his math basis came from Maxwell - both he and Tesla acknowledged that at some point in each of their careers - sorry for the misunderstanding. There is nothing in ZPP that violates any part of special relativity. The trick seems to be in grasping how utterly simple the idea of ZPP is - it does not really take a AE or NT to grasp the theory.
I have two simple questions for you: Does a photon cross the Universe always in the present of when it was emitted; can you describe the null path?
This is Art Bell dingbat tinfoil hat stuff, and no we should not be spending one tax payers dime on investigating for UFO’s and alien life. There has been no evidence of such and anything actual presented ‘evidence’ has been disproved. Like Nelly the Lochness monster, follow the money. Someone’s trying to make a buck here. First hint should have been the Harry Reid started this crap.
I try to explain exactly this when I speak to my kids about this stuff.
They don’t teach physics any longer.
Time and distance go together. And we are real far from anyplace worth going.
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