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Charlottesville Council Votes to Remove Confederate Statue After Tense Hearing
NBC News ^ | September 6, 2017 | Alex Johnson and Daniella Silva

Posted on 09/06/2017 6:52:07 AM PDT by C19fan

The City Council in Charlottesville, Virginia, voted Tuesday night to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson from a park after a public hearing punctuated by protests and chants of "Let her speak."

By voice vote, the council voted after 11 p.m. ET to ask a design firm to redesign Emancipation Park, where the Jackson statue stands — effectively ordering its removal once all court cases are resolved.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: confederate; dixie

1 posted on 09/06/2017 6:52:07 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

voice votes are cowardly and a sham


2 posted on 09/06/2017 6:53:50 AM PDT by Ray76 (Republicans are a Democrat party front group.)
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To: C19fan

Mistake.


3 posted on 09/06/2017 6:57:06 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: C19fan

I thought they had already done this? The Lee statue’s case has been in court for a while now.


4 posted on 09/06/2017 6:57:21 AM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: C19fan

Sound familiar?

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten,  every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered.
And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped.
Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”...George Orwell, “1984”


5 posted on 09/06/2017 6:57:40 AM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
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To: C19fan
Sickening betrayal of heritage!

Reconstruction & Creating Hate In America Today.

6 posted on 09/06/2017 6:57:41 AM PDT by Ohioan
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“Voice vote”

The cowards don’t have to go, personally, on record.

Like Lee he saw himself as defending Virginia, and like a likely majority of people in that day, north and south, had a conflicted view of slavery.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/05/02/confederate-general-stonewall-jackson-champion-of-african-american-literacy/


7 posted on 09/06/2017 6:58:45 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: C19fan

Even though something in the range of 60% of the people think they should stay!!!


8 posted on 09/06/2017 6:59:09 AM PDT by ontap
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The decision was already made, the meeting was held to put forth the appearance of “genuine” concern for the process of constructive community discourse.

That said, Charlottesville is very blue on the voting mosaic, and has been since before the war of northern aggression.


9 posted on 09/06/2017 7:00:44 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancake, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: C19fan

COWARDS!!!


10 posted on 09/06/2017 7:01:13 AM PDT by Shane (When Injustice Becomes Law, RESISTANCE Becomes DUTY.----T.Jefferson)
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To: C19fan

All statues, monuments, streets, towns, etc., for Lincoln need to come down.

Abraham Lincoln:

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

Letter from Lincoln can be found here:

http://www.shotglassofhistory.com/abraham-lincoln-quote-slavery-civil-war/

Sourced: Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, edited by Roy P. Basler et al.

11 posted on 09/06/2017 7:03:15 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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As offered by Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy, the resolution noted that the monuments were erected several decades after the Civil War ended, calling them "20th Century testaments to a fictionalized, glorified narrative of the rightness of the Southern cause in that war, when the actual cause was an insurrection against the United States of America promoting the right of southern states to perpetuate the institution of slavery."

You know, I've seen this said a lot, even with Confederate statues erected in the 1800s. It's like if it wasn't put up in 1866, it was too late. Someone tell the National World War II Memorial that went up in D.C. in 2004 that it was "decades later."

Bob Fenwick, a City Council member who voted for the motion, said the Jackson and Lee monuments "should be in a museum."

Just once I'd like to see a story about these statues that doesn't have the word "museum" in it. They really have that talking point down.

12 posted on 09/06/2017 7:07:56 AM PDT by Trump20162020
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Chasing statues !
rather than dealing with real issues !
How appropriate !
13 posted on 09/06/2017 8:11:31 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Trump20162020

In New Orleans there is a privately run museum dedicated to the “old south” (I think it may go beyond the plantation life, those are generally still standing, and into the confederacy). The locals still want it gone (and have since at least the days of Obama).

I found this one, not sure if it is the same one I saw rants against 2 years ago:

http://confederatemuseum.com/
Confederate Memorial Hall opened its doors in New Orleans on January 8, 1891, and since that time has been commemorating the military history and heritage of the South. The museum is the oldest in Louisiana and houses one of the largest collections of Confederate memorabilia in the United States.


It’s all incrementalism. Get it moved and then get them gone.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/11/flaming_tire_placed_on_steps_o.html

Flaming tire placed on steps of Confederate Museum
Updated on November 9, 2016 at 1:42 PM Posted on November 9, 2016 at 1:10 PM

...Angelico declined to speculate on a possible motive for the incident, which took place about 15 minutes after multiple media outlets reported Donald Trump’s presidential victory.


14 posted on 09/06/2017 9:03:45 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Did Barack Obama denounce Communism and dictatorships when he visited Cuba as a puppet of the State?)
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To: C19fan

Stonewall Jackson was a God-fearing, Bible-believing Christian . . .

Therefore, he was a racist./SARC


15 posted on 09/06/2017 9:11:14 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: C19fan

And Johnny Cash’s daughter decried those at the protest who wore Johnny Cash t-shirts. I haven’t done any research into how many people wore the t-shirts or if all of them were “white supremacists” (or militant Occutards POSING as white supremacists).

I did run across this on the youtube this week:

Johnny Cash - God Bless Robert E. Lee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvIU6VQAWpo
When Robert E Lee surrendered the Confederacy
Jefferson Davis was upset about it
He said how dare that man resent an order from the president of the Confederate States of America
Then somebody told him that General Lee had made the decision himself
In order to save lives because he felt that the battle comin’ up would cost about twenty thousand lives on both sides
And he said two hundred and forty thousand dead already is enough
So this song is not about the North or the South but about the bloody brother war
Brother against brother father against son the war that nobody won
And for all those lives that were saved I gotta say Dod bless Robert E Lee

Well the mansion where the General used to live is burning down
Cotton fields are blue with Sherman’s troupes
I overheard a Yankee say yesterday Nashville fell
So I’m on my way to join the fight General Lee might need my help
But look away look away Dixie I don’t want them to see
What they’re doing to my Dixie God bless Robert E Lee
Sherman’s troops burned Atlanta and the flames lit up the sky
And those of us who survived it are watchin’ my Dixie die
But today at Appamattox General Lee sat down
And surrendered to the Yankees and Ulysees S Grant
So look away look away Dixie...
I won’t ever stop loving you my Dixie till they put me in the ground
And the last words they probably hear from me are
God bless Robert E Lee

Will she pull this song from release?
Will she donate all funds that the song draws?

How much and what go down the memory hole?

There are lessons to be learned from history. Pretending things never happened isn’t helpful either.


16 posted on 09/06/2017 9:11:59 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Did Barack Obama denounce Communism and dictatorships when he visited Cuba as a puppet of the State?)
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