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Are Big Pharma gifts to physicians an expensive problem, or a red herring?
Washington Examiner ^ | June 23, 2017 | Brian C. Joondeph

Posted on 06/23/2017 2:07:19 PM PDT by huldah1776

Physicians are influenced by marketing. That's no surprise. So are most consumers, as evidenced by television and radio commercials, billboards, pop up ads and targeted ads for drugs on your computer screen. Big Pharma markets not only to physicians, but also directly to consumers.

In a recent Washington Post op-ed, Dr. Nicole Van Gronigen made the case that Big Pharma successfully influences physician prescribing behavior via marketing. Specifically, drug reps do with with free lunches provided by the pharmaceutical reps, or educational dinners at nice restaurants. She reported a JAMA study correlating industry-sponsored meals with increased promotion of branded medication to Medicare patients.

It's no surprise that marketing works. If it didn't, Big Pharma would not spend $24 billion per year on it -- more than they spend on research and development. And perhaps, as Dr. Van Gronigen suggests, restricting pharma reps' access to physicians may yield cost savings in healthcare. But is it really that simple?

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: bigpharma; healthcare; lobbyists
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opinion piece. A friend of mine has had a severe reaction to an antibiotic (she's been in pain for almost 2 yrs now) so she's gotten into the holistic thing, as has my sister who is actually a lot better, but she said that docs get $60k for each diabetic patient (probably lifelong) because they are prescribing statins which can cause diabetes. Anyone here get diabetes after taking a statin for CHOLESTEROL? My brother did so I'm interested.

I have a problem with big pharma and the VA. The VA seems to be the canary in the cave.

however, for fellow conspirators, here's an update on the deaths of holistic doctors. The title has a typo? it was fifteen not fifty.

https://dailyhealthpost.com/holistic-doctors-dead/

1 posted on 06/23/2017 2:07:19 PM PDT by huldah1776
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Just can’t get live links in first post. oh well.

https://dailyhealthpost.com/holistic-doctors-dead/


2 posted on 06/23/2017 2:08:21 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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Our physician wanted my wife on statins but also said her cholesterol was excellent. If her cholesterol is excellent, why the statins we asked? She said because she's diabetic as a pre-caution. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
3 posted on 06/23/2017 2:10:41 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Rehab is for quitters.)
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Type II diagnosis in December after having been on statins since 2003. Hit me like a ton of brick.


4 posted on 06/23/2017 2:51:48 PM PDT by RatRipper (Unindicted co-conspirators: the Mainstream Media and the Democratic Party)
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:however, for fellow conspirators, here's an update on the deaths of holistic doctors. The title has a typo? it was fifteen not fifty. "

I don't think it's a typo. Not all doctors are listed. Dr Ash of NYC is not on that list. He died suddenly Dec 2015.

5 posted on 06/23/2017 3:03:44 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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60k for a patient? Ha yeah right. Everything of value received by a doc is published. You can look it up online on the hhs website.
6 posted on 06/23/2017 3:09:15 PM PDT by statered ("And you know what I mean.")
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I have 2 brothers who took statins and both are now diabetic.


7 posted on 06/23/2017 3:12:07 PM PDT by tiki
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Our physician wanted my wife on statins but also said her cholesterol was excellent. If her cholesterol is excellent, why the statins we asked? She said because she's diabetic as a pre-caution. Things that make you go hmmmmmm

Diabetics have a much higher risk of cardiovascular problems and stroke. Her levels may be okay for a non diabetic. Her physician undoubtedly thought her levels were to high for a diabetic.

8 posted on 06/23/2017 3:27:16 PM PDT by cpdiii ( Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. CONSTITUTUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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I don’t care which type of treatment your family chooses

Pharmaceutical reps bring in lunch and an educational seminar. The lynches are ok but nothing special. The seminars can be quite good

This ain’t what helps a doc decide to prescribe something


9 posted on 06/23/2017 3:52:17 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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So a doctor is bribed with a ten dollar lunch a couple of time a month?

Okay.

10 posted on 06/23/2017 3:55:16 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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It’s now listed as a side effect.

http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20150304/statins-linked-to-raised-risk-of-type-2-diabetes


11 posted on 06/23/2017 4:13:40 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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I wonder if the FBI is involved. So blatant.


12 posted on 06/23/2017 4:25:34 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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The pharmaceutical industry fears holistic M.D's?

Sure.

13 posted on 06/23/2017 5:28:39 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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Every patient that goes to a holistic doctor is one less patient using pharmaceuticals. It’s all about the money.


14 posted on 06/23/2017 6:19:36 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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I worked a contract in N Georgia involving a large number of clinics belonging to a larger medical conglomerate. Each day, in EVERY clinic I visited lunch was completely catered for the employees by the drug companies. That would be hundreds of dollars in catering every day for every clinic.

You think that doesn’t pay off? If it didn’t, they wouldn’t be doing it.


15 posted on 06/23/2017 6:27:20 PM PDT by binreadin
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Right. That's why pharmaceutical companies are thriving.

Of course, there will always be those who think the drug companies are conspiring and killing the quacks. Whaddyagonnado? Some people believe there were missiles strapped onto the planes that hit the twin towers and that bombs were buried in the buildings and went off at the same time as the planes hit. Others believe Elvis is alive and living with aliens. There's no explanation for crazy.

16 posted on 06/23/2017 6:32:09 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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Sure it pays off.

The people sit through the presentation.

Other than that, probably not.

17 posted on 06/23/2017 6:44:47 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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they should ban drug advertising and marketing. The market is the sick people and they should just concentrate on helping them rather then advertising to the masses and telling them to "ask the doc" if it's right for you.*

*disclaimer: this may cause heartburn in executive levels of big pharma, may decrease the amount of unnecessary medicine treating various made up ailments. frequent bouts of unnecessary diarrhea caused by side effects may be reduced, as well as bloating, sudden death and double bloating.

18 posted on 06/23/2017 6:52:40 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (just a conspiracy theory, no facts behind the above post.)
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you should see who is selling.


19 posted on 06/23/2017 6:53:34 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (just a conspiracy theory, no facts behind the above post.)
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You call Holistic doctors quacks. OK.
Drug dealers always make more money. Any kind of drug.

Chicken soup or a $100 pill for your ailment?

BTW, Elvis is alive!


20 posted on 06/23/2017 6:55:22 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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