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(NJ) Historic submarine might be stuck in the mud, USS Ling
bergen record ^ | December 20, 2016 | Rodrigo Torrejon

Posted on 12/23/2016 6:26:56 PM PST by Coleus

The USS Ling has been berthed in the Hackensack River for more than 40 years – and it might be stuck there.

The 312-foot, 2,500-ton World War II-era submarine is the featured exhibit of the New Jersey Naval Museum, which occupies a trailer on land that was once the headquarters of the North Jersey Media Group, which was sold to Gannett in July and publishes The Record. The Ling has been anchored off the riverbank behind the newspaper’s former headquarters for decades.

Now, however, museum officials are grappling with the logistical and financially daunting challenge of moving the submarine, which by all accounts is mired in muck and is moored in a section of the river too shallow for the sub to navigate.

“I don’t know what it would take to get her out of the mud or if that would even be possible,” said Hugh Carola, program director at Hackensack Riverkeeper, an environmental group.

Earlier this year, the museum’s lease was terminated by Stephen Borg, former publisher of The Record. Borg, whose grandfather negotiated the 1974 deal to lease land to the museum for $1 a year. The city Planning Board voted in May to subdivide the nearly 20-acre site into four lots for redevelopment, which could include a hotel and 700 residences.

(Excerpt) Read more at northjersey.com ...


TOPICS: Local News; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: hackensack; navy; nj; usnavy; ussling; wwii
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Ping a Ling, the USS Ling may be recycled.

1 posted on 12/23/2016 6:26:56 PM PST by Coleus
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http://www.njnm.org/


2 posted on 12/23/2016 6:27:10 PM PST by Coleus (For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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To: Coleus

I see the problem, “...an environmental group.”


3 posted on 12/23/2016 6:31:27 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Coleus

>“I don’t know what it would take to get her out of the mud or if that would even be possible,” said Hugh Carola, program director at Hackensack Riverkeeper, an environmental group.

Figgers. Try using physics instead of leftist waste.

Focus your energy on the Joules, not your lack of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ3bJN1zLKw


4 posted on 12/23/2016 6:32:19 PM PST by soycd
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To: Coleus

The scrap steel must be worth something.


5 posted on 12/23/2016 6:32:34 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Coleus; NoCmpromiz

Might be?
It was stuck back in the 80’s when I last visited her.
Plus the bridges north and south of her are, er, inoperable and cannot be opened last I knew.


6 posted on 12/23/2016 6:33:28 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
The scrap steel must be worth something.


Yes, though probably less than what it would cost to move the sub.
7 posted on 12/23/2016 6:37:09 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( Agenda driven news is fake news.)
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To: Coleus

Where have I heard this before?

“My machine she’s a dud,
I’m stuck in the mud,
Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey....”


8 posted on 12/23/2016 6:38:09 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Coleus

Length: 311’6”

Beam: 27’3”

Draft: 15’3”

Sounds like it might end up as scrap. They probably should offer to donate it to any museum that would re-locate it for display. But the best bet might be to cut off the conning tower and ancillary items for display elsewhere, and scrap the hull.


9 posted on 12/23/2016 6:44:59 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Coleus

All that these idiots need to do is use high pressure water hoses to blast away the mud. We could put a man on the moon 52 years at and these a55-clowns can’t fee a boat from mud.


10 posted on 12/23/2016 6:49:02 PM PST by WMarshal ( Schadenfreude, it feels so good!)
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To: Darksheare

Let’s break down the problem...

1)What value does the submarine have? Would some other museum want it or should it just be scrapped?

2) Assuming that no other museum wants it, how to scrap it? Would you a) scrap in place, b) break into transportable pieces, c) move it whole.

3) c) With bridges north & south of site inoperable, it cannot be moved via water. Could you lift it, put wheels under it and drag to scrappers yard? Probably too expensive

3) a or b) would have to put a temporary coffer dam to provide dry land around the sub and bring in equipment to break it down. If you had the saws to cut into segments and big crane to place pieces onto barge (option b) that’s probably how to barge it to a scrap yard. Otherwise you are breaking down to disposable, truck-haulible parts (option a) Probably it will be based on accessibility to scrap yard - better by water or by truck.


11 posted on 12/23/2016 6:52:56 PM PST by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
"probably less than what it would cost to move the sub."

Well that's the point. If it's not going into commission again, might as well scrap it.
12 posted on 12/23/2016 6:54:00 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: mason-dixon

I can see them spending millions of dollars to move the thing. Then sink it and stick it in the ocean mud to make an artificial reef.

And the new development will make a recreation of the sub, park it in the river, and turn the area into the “Deep Sea Amusement Park”.


13 posted on 12/23/2016 7:01:03 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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Now, however, museum officials are grappling with the logistical and financially daunting challenge of moving the submarine, which by all accounts is mired in muck and is moored in a section of the river too shallow for the sub to navigate.

Now wait a tic, I thought all the pointy-headed environmentalists said that climate change was raising the sea level?

14 posted on 12/23/2016 7:08:28 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: mason-dixon

The drawbridges north and south of the ling no longer drawbridge.
One is welded shut if memory serves.


15 posted on 12/23/2016 7:11:26 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: mason-dixon

1) Don’t forget the cost of asbestos abatement

2) Per Wikipedia, the state has to open the bridge within 4 hours of being notified. How they do that is their problem, but cutting torches might not be fast enough.


16 posted on 12/23/2016 7:14:55 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Coleus

Hope they can save it, it looks like an original Balao without Guppy conversions.


17 posted on 12/23/2016 7:18:14 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Coleus

The Pacific Battleship Center managed to wrangle the Iowa out of Suisun Bay and tow her down to San Pedro, Ca. Granted, the Iowa wasn’t aground but it was a major undertaking and is now a heck of a floating museum.


18 posted on 12/23/2016 7:44:12 PM PST by broken_clock (Go Trump!)
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To: Coleus
I think Stephen Borg is one of the fabulous people. I met one of the Borgs on a flight from Newark and he was no doubt fabulous. Still living off great granddad's fortune.

I also grew up two doors down from the man who piloted the Ling up the Hackensack.

19 posted on 12/23/2016 7:44:38 PM PST by Oratam
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Yes, might as well scrap it, but it is very inconvenient to scrap it where it is, much better to take it to a yard. But, can’t move it? We have a problem.


20 posted on 12/23/2016 8:29:35 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( Agenda driven news is fake news.)
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