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(NJ) Historic submarine might be stuck in the mud, USS Ling
bergen record ^ | December 20, 2016 | Rodrigo Torrejon

Posted on 12/23/2016 6:26:56 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Darksheare
The Ling is silted in but that doesn't make it impossible to move should someone REALLY want to. The silt is a minor (but expensive to remedy) issue, the money to move her is the big problem and that assumes there is a site that could use a WW2 sub. The Mayor of Paterson said he wants it moved to the Great Falls area but that would be even harder. (Paterson is on the Passaic River not the Hackensack..)

As far as the bridges go, the Court St/Ft. Lee Road bridge was rebuilt not too long ago (the previous structure was decrepitizing before your eyes so to speak, and they had lowered the load limit down to 4 tons or something minuscule like that.) If whatever Fed agency that determines what waters are navigable lists that portion of the Hackensack River as a navigable waterway, the bridge rebuild would have to include an operable draw (actually this one is a swing bridge) so the bridge South of the Ling should be operable now.

There is little point in attempting to float the Ling farther upstream on the Hackensack river (it'll only get shallower) but again even though the NYSW railroad bridge immediately North of the Ling hasn't opened in decades if that portion of the Hackensack is classified as navigable, should something require passage, the NYSW must somehow open the bridge. I understand that should the bridge require opening there is a lead time to inform the railroad, but I have not specifically asked any of my rail road contacts if that particular bridge is operable or the status (I can tell you about the Overpeck Creek draw though - it's a bit further south ;-)

The way out of there is South to more open waters. Assuming the hull is still intact and she floats OK (it will never dive again because they cut through the pressure hull to put in a access stair when it was on active display) it could be towed out at high tide once free of the muck. Which puts it back to a money issue.

The major problem with dealing with the silt issue? Its right there in the article.. "Hugh Carola, program director at Hackensack Riverkeeper, an environmental group." He and his minions will breech-birth a cow should anyone start stirring up the mud..

For the lay of the land, here's a link to the GooGle Earf view. The bow of the Ling is facing downstream toward clear water...

USS Ling, Hackensack, NJ

21 posted on 12/23/2016 8:29:52 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Coleus

My sister’s boat sat tied to the dock all summer, with nobody ever taking it out. We started calling it the Ling II.


22 posted on 12/23/2016 8:32:08 PM PST by dead
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To: mason-dixon

4) Explosives.


23 posted on 12/23/2016 8:46:19 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: Coleus
"...I don’t know what it would take to get her out of the mud or if that would even be possible,” said Hugh Carola, program director at Hackensack Riverkeeper, an environmental group..."

These people say that because they don't know a single bloody thing about ships, and they are effeminate environmental pussies to boot.

If you can get a 55,000 ton battleship out of far deeper mud...

Or right a battleship with its superstructure embedded in the mud...

You can get a little submarine free. Good God. If we had to depend on people like these to do anything useful, we should just surrender in advance and save our foes the trouble.

24 posted on 12/23/2016 9:20:23 PM PST by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: WMarshal

No kidding. It isn’t rocket science, but these people aren’t scientists, they are environmentalists, which means they worship gaia instead of thinking about how to solve a problem.


25 posted on 12/23/2016 9:22:26 PM PST by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Doesn’t the Ling still belong to the Navy?


26 posted on 12/23/2016 9:31:11 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Coleus

Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ling


27 posted on 12/23/2016 9:39:10 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: rlmorel

I fear it will come to that.


28 posted on 12/23/2016 9:40:28 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: fella
According to Wikipedia the Ling "was donated to the Submarine Memorial Association, a non-profit organization formed in 1972 with the purpose of saving Ling from the scrap yard."

The Navy has no interest, apparently.

29 posted on 12/23/2016 10:05:26 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Darksheare

“Plus the bridges north and south of her are, er, inoperable and cannot be opened last I knew”

It’s a submarine!


30 posted on 12/23/2016 10:21:52 PM PST by Rebelbase (ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/PBS/CNN/FOX are THE LEGACY MEDIA)
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To: rlmorel

bttt


31 posted on 12/23/2016 10:30:05 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a Simple Manner for a Happy Life ~ Vote!)
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To: Rebelbase

Might be a sub, but it’s in a river that is silted up and reportedly only 10’ deep...


32 posted on 12/23/2016 10:41:44 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: mason-dixon
"What value does the submarine have?"

Somebody might think of something:


33 posted on 12/23/2016 10:56:21 PM PST by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen.)
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To: PAR35

I’ll buy the periscope, if the price is right. The old Oregon Museum of Science and Industry had a WWII sub’s periscope installed in their building, and I always thought I’d like to have one of those.


34 posted on 12/24/2016 5:06:51 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Coleus

The rising oceans from the icebergs melting should lift it up any moment now according to algore


35 posted on 12/24/2016 9:14:09 AM PST by Pollard (TRUMP 2016)
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To: Coleus
It's a WWII submarine -- and there will never be another like it.

High pressure water (fire truck) will release it from the mud.

It's a submarine! Submerge it (partially) to pass under bridges...

36 posted on 12/24/2016 9:32:35 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias. "Barack": Allah's current ally. "Comey" Barack's current toadie...)
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To: Coleus

Has anyone thought of simply either drilling holes into the mud under the sub or if possible pushing a number of tubes into the mud around the sub and then first shoot some high pressure water through them followed by high pressure air and break the sub loose through cavitation or vibration, breaking the seal of the mud holding the sub currently in place?


37 posted on 01/02/2017 4:40:20 PM PST by NavyDad46
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To: Coleus
"Aye, tear her tattered ensign down . . ."


38 posted on 06/19/2017 7:10:09 PM PDT by Oatka
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