Posted on 10/19/2016 7:33:39 AM PDT by MtnClimber
Remember when Sarah Palin was excoriated for suggesting that ObamaCare contained death panels? Then we learned that the nonexistent death panels were actually deleted from the law and then, oops, economist Paul Krugman let slip that "...we're also going to have to make decisions about health care, doc pay for health care that has no demonstrated medical benefits. So the snarky version... which I shouldn't even say because it will get me in trouble is death panels and sales taxes is how we do this [.]"
Such is the usual seesaw when a law which should never have seen the light of day continues on its destructive path. Socialized medicine, single payer system -- all of which describe ObamaCare -- are designed to give substandard care by their very nature.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
This is why those who passed this exempted themselves.
1) It will make all important health care decisions by authorizing payment or not.
2) It is not funded by Congress and cannot have its budget reviewed or changed.
3) Its membership cannot be changed by future Presidents,
4) It cannot be repealed by Congress, except for a six month window in 2017.
5) Its decisions are not subject to judicial review.
6) It is not authorized by the Constitution, and is therefore immune to Constitutional processes.
The Royal Idiot insists it's all “part of the normal business cycle,” but that’s whistling past the graveyard.
Intended to be his signature domestic achievement, Obamacare is well on its way to becoming the Royal Idiot's biggest failure.
The Royal Idiot insists it's all “part of the normal business cycle,” but that’s whistling past the graveyard.
Intended to be his signature domestic achievement, Obamacare is well on its way to becoming the Royal Idiot's biggest failure.
If this is permitted, all decisions by the government will be made this way within a few years.
I don’t know.
The GOP sure didn’t seem to have any better ideas, so far.
Until they do, I don’t really think that whining about Obamacare is helping anyone.
Egged on by Pelosi, no one in Congress told Americans about Section 4002---which mandates an $8B untraceable fund to "promote" Obamacare (apparently b/c Boobamba had so little confidence in his signature legislation). In 2010 Taxpayers are extorted $500 million, in 2011, $750 million, 2012, $1 billion, 2013, $1.25 billion, 2014, $1.5 billion and in 2015 and on, $2 billion........
In Obamacare, Democrats voted to nationalize 1/6 of the US economy ---- a renewable slush fund for consolidating Dem power. Once in the hands of the criminal hordes, all that money is untraceable.
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SELECTED DEMOCRAT QUOTES:
FROM THE UNEXPURGATED PAGES OF THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD:
<><> Nancy Pelosi (Dimwit-Calif) famously egged-on Congress to pass Obamacare "so we could see what’s in it.”
<><> Sen Mary Landrieu (Dimwit-LA) in the well of the Senate speaking to voters: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." Landrieu's O/care vote is popularly called the "Louisiana Purchase." Her (ahem) state got $4.3 billion when she voted aye. Where is the money, Mary?
<><> Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Dimwit-Calif): “I listened to the president and I believed him when he said,' if you liked your plan, you can keep your plan.' I didn’t realize there were all these codicils attached to it."
<><> Pres Barack Obama (Dimwit-Ill): "we fumbled" the healthcare roll out." (Nominated for Understatement of The Century).
MEMORY LANE---As far back as 2008, at the presidential debate in Nashville, Democrat candidate Obama advanced his signature plan that was ultimately enacted (by an historic straight Democrat party-line vote) into the "Affordable Care Act:"
QUOTING OBAMA: "No. 1, let me just repeat, if you’ve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All I’m going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. You’ll still have choice of doctor.”
Repeated over and over by every loyal Democrat---- conning Americans into believing they'd also be saving $2500.00 on healthcare costs.
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LOCK-STEPPING DEMOCRAT PARTY LOYALTY NOT SEEN SINCE 1930-40's ERA EUROPE.
SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)
SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)
SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)
SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)
SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)
THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)
SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)
SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)
SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we Democrats want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we’re going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)
SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our Democrat bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)
SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)
SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this Democrat legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)
SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)
SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you’ll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)
SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “[I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)
SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won’t have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)
SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic Democrat plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)
SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)
SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President’s promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)
SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)
SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a Democrat bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)
SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the Democrat chairman’s remark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That’s a strong commitment. It’s clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That’s the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)
SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you’ll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)
SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won’t. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)
SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “..it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.” (Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)
Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) the 60th vote on Obamacare: "people who are happy with their current plan, wouldn't need to change it."
FRANKEN YOUTUBE SOUND BITE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZmAYYNz8Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZmAYYNz8I
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Twenty-nine Democrats who voted for it (including onetime lawmaker Landrieu who pocketed a bundle to vote for it) were ousted in the 2014 midterm Democrat Demolition Derby.
Seems to me there was a far better plan floated around the Republican side of the aisle, and THAT plan was to keep government the ‘H’ out of our healthcare.
Sorry.
Our government is DEEPLY involved in healthcare already.
The rules about healthcare are everywhere. Rules about drugs. Rules about doctors. Rules. Rules. Rules. Rules about what cannot be offered. There is a gigantic system of rules, which effectively makes our “healthcare” system a massive money machine.
That is the problem.
At least in my opinion.
It is just an American problem. It doesn’t exist, elsewhere in the world.
I don’t think I’ve seen it proposed (and it would probably be convoluted or impossible to implement) but it would be interesting to propose a new type of tiering for Healthcare plans:
Level I — the gold standard. All medicine is FDA approved, all doctors board certified. No mistakes will be made, and if a mistake is made, you can sue for millions. This type of care is pretty pricey. It’s the only type we have right now.
Level II — Doctors are board certified. Experimental drugs may be suggested. We try to keep mistakes to a minimum, but some times they happen. Damages are capped at $250,000. This coverage is cheaper, but slightly expensive.
Level III — People with training will see you and do the best they can. This one is cheap.
Honestly, some people would be well advised to choose the Level III option, if it were available.
Exactly.
That is what I mean. Sure we have a good healthcare system for SOME people.
Others have jack-squat.
That is completely unacceptable, from my view.
Not acceptable. Obamacare may be a monstrosity. But at least, it recognizes the huge mess our healthcare system has become.
We need to propose a counter-proposal. Not simply criticize. That is not helping us, and it is not helping Americans.
At all.
The GOP sure didn’t seem to have any better ideas, so far.
Oh they pretend to provide opposition the same way the Washington Senators provide opposition to the Globetrotters.
Repeal Obama care completely.
Return health care back to the individual.
Well what I am saying is, if we are going to free America from the stranglehold which our healthcare system has become, then we need to free up providers.
From a massive, amount of government control and interference.
That control and interference (in the form of lots and lots of very expensive schools, training requirements, licenses etc) is a very big reason our healthcare is so darned expensive. And the simple fact that our healthcare is completely non-competitive. Nobody can compete. So it has become prohibitively expensive.
We need competition.
If we do not have that, then the government needs to do things to bring down prices, such as Obamacare.
One or the other.
They want power.
The ultimate power is the power of life and death.
Of course they want this power.
If we do not have that, then the government needs to do things to bring down prices, such as Obamacare.
Government screws up health care and because they refused to fix it the only answer is more government control.
Nothing, I repeat, nothing the government does is simple, cheap or done correctly. There are too many people with their own self interest involved.
The first part of your comment is correct, get the government out of health care. Socialize medicine can not work no more than socialize economy can work.
If we continue down this path people will be dying before they are even seen by a health professional (look at the United Kingdoms health care).
But, the bottom line, cradle to grave socialism will eventually collapse as there is not enough money in the world to keep it going.
Obama care is just another load of crap the middle class has to carry on their back. The only question is not if but when the whole house of cards comes down.
Just a reminder:
Obamacare is called that only because Obama signed it into law. It was known as Hillarycare 20 years ago because she was instrumental in it’s design.
She has experience with death panels. Ask Vince Foster.
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