Posted on 09/07/2016 11:24:48 AM PDT by EveningStar
When you think of Disney movies, you think of safe, wholesome fun for the entire family. But based on this list, maybe instead you should think about sad orphans and the literal embodiment of death appearing in a man's eyes shortly before he meets his grisly demise. Here are some of the most controversial moments hidden in Disney movies...
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Dumbo’s mom locked in an insane asylum! Brilliant movies, well, cartoons.
It’s not culturally acceptable to read Edith Hamilton’s Greek Mythology? Anne Frank, hardly from the distant past, was a huge fan of them. Of course, she was of a very studious nature like so many Jews.
They are very entertaining and truly help to make one an educated and cultured individual.
You too? lol Those scenes of the underage boys drinking and smoking would not be allowed today.
How nice to hear that Anne Frank was not in the distant past! I’m 73...some days I feel culturally antediluvian. I have a friend who just turned 90. She and her husband are beginning to feel culturally isolated. They aren’t in a nursing home, live as they have for the past 70 years and feel they just don’t fit in any more.
The young people I come in contact with _might_ read Hamilton....I don’t know. They all know who Wolverine is, however. I hear an awful lot of people say they are “too busy to read”. An author I corresponded with, who teaches creative writing, refers to the mass of readers who complain of hating 1st person narrative as ‘unsophisticated’.
I fear the definition of cultured has changed. I grew up on world mythology. They were my bedtime stories. However, to my father’s dismay, the character I liked most was Loki.
Well, I had no favorites in mythology. I only liked the stories which were properly gory for a youngster. And I loved the Odyssey because I longed to see Greece and other worlds outside my boring suburban neighborhood. That is surely the joy of reading.
Do children read Anne Frank anymore is a question?
I tend to look at ‘distant pasts’ in very long terms because as you will see from my tagline I am interested in the faraway past.
To be fair, the fathers in Kim Possible were actually treated very well, actually making them very worthwhile (in fact, Dr. Possible is a rocket scientist, and he even plays a vital role in helping Kim out a few times. Oh, and Mr. Stoppable is an Acupunturist, and actually saved his son Ron once in a rather awesome manner). I can tell you this much, the fathers in Kim Possible were treated with honor compared to, say, Oscar Proud or Homer Simpson or Peter Parker.
And hey, King Triton from The Little Mermaid, his racist bent against humans and his jerk move of blowing up Ariel’s grotto just because the latter played good Samaritan to a human aside, definitely was a very good father in that film, going out of his way to stop Ursula at any cost, and even sacrificing himself to save Ariel when all seemed lost, and in the TV series he was actually very reasonable at times (too bad Ariel’s Beginning utterly ruined him). Same goes with Eric in the sequel, who was actually very decently handled as a dad, even if the sequel was very badly written. They were certainly depicted far better than Maurice or the Sultan, at least. The former was basically depicted as rather pathetic, and even when he did manage to get awesome points of trying to go to the castle to rescue Belle, he ended up needing rescuing by his daughter instead. And don’t get me started on how the Sultan was depicted as a manchild (though I will mention that Cassim, Aladdin’s dad, was definitely a very commendable father). Mulan’s dad was also pretty cool as well, and even his being useless was at least justified by his being wounded in the past that was severe enough that if he were to go back into battle, he’d be more of a liability even under Asian honor systems.
But yeah, I can see what you mean. And since you mentioned Star Wars and the Force Awakens, I actually hated what they did to Han in the new canon, as they made him even worse of a father than Darth Vader. Say what you will of Vader, at least he had an excuse for not raising Luke or Leia. The Legends EU may not have been perfect, but at least it had Han’s change in character actually stick, not to mention be a pretty good father, for the most part at least.
“After Sleeping beauty virtually every female Disney protoganist has the exact same personality. The headstrong spunky independent girl with little to no character flaws or in fact any other personality traits aside from maybe being a little too naive in her headstrongyness who wants MOOOOORRREEE. Even and especially if she’s already royalty. In recent years most also mysteriously know kungfu and great pains are taken to show that they don’t need no man.”
Regarding the little to no character flaws, care to explain how exactly that was different from Snow White, Cinderella, or Aurora? I really don’t recall them having any real character flaws besides being a little naïve and wanting more.
But yeah, I kinda agree, though I’d change it from Sleeping Beauty to The Little Mermaid. At least the Little Mermaid was more closer to those three than the ones after her starting with Belle. Ariel managed to do a lot of badass things, yet still had no problems settling down with a man, and in fact, she willingly tried to go for her man, and for her dreams. And she didn’t castrate her love, Eric, in the process, either. Not to mention, quite honestly, I was more impressed with Ariel and respectful of her than I was of the character she was based on (sorry, but I honestly thought the original character was just sickening, simply could not sympathize with her, especially when her plan of gaining an immortal soul essentially amounted to her giving the prince a dementor’s kiss upon marriage, and it seemed she was more concerned with gaining an immortal soul than she was of the prince. And then there’s the fact that she didn’t even fix the messes she caused and if anything made them even worse with her suicide.).
The father in Brave, as well as the other men such as the suitors of the daughter, were portrayed as muscle-bound oafs. The women portrayed by the mother and daughter were smart and resourceful. Where are the male strong heroes and female weak buffoon stars in Disney toons? Not PC of course. There has been a movement over the last few decades to belittle male role models and to convince females that they can do anything they wish, but not to instill in them the realization that there are physical limitations to what they can accomplish alone and that teamwork and respect with males is more rewarding. Political correctness has run amok in the way young people are taught.
For the record, even though I never actually saw it beyond trailers, I hated Brave for many reasons (what you stated regarding how the males were depicted was just one of the reasons. The others being that, quite frankly, Merida came across as sociopathic like when she drugged her own mom, and Merida’s voice got on my nerves due to sounding like an extremely bad attempt at a Scottish accent. And besides, Merida’s not even Disney, she’s Pixar, so why should she even BE among the Disney Princesses anyway?), so I’m more than familiar with what you guys are communicating, and I’m not happy about it any more than you are. I was just saying that there are indeed some Disney toons that don’t depict men in a bad light, especially not fathers, and heck, even in Kim Possible, Ron did have some genuinely badass moments (in fact, he actually saved the world in the finale).
And in The Little Mermaid, Eric was depicted as a genuine badass, as was Ariel (heck, Eric was the one who killed Ursula, not to mention unlike Beast when Belle ended up leaving, Eric never gave up hope, and when Ariel was abducted by Ursula, the first thing he did was take a lifeboat to try and save her), and unlike most of her successors, Ariel’s badass credentials are actually quite justified if you really think about it, since she was born a mermaid, and thus due to living under intense water pressure for most of her life, she definitely would be stronger than humans, though that’s not to say she’s stronger than mermen. And Triton, Triton was pretty badass as well, especially in the TV series. And I know that Aladdin was definitely a genuine badass. Beast was a genuine Badass until Belle “tamed” him and she left to save her dad. I can name plenty of examples where despite it occurring during a time of rising PC elements, they STILL managed to be very un-PC at all.
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