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Theodore Roosevelt - the first globalist president
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Posted on 08/28/2016 12:59:59 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

All of us know how politicized the Nobel Prize is, but many people falsely believe that it's only been politicized since around the time of Obama, perhaps since the time of Carter. It's been a tool for awarding statists for over a century. Don't forget, Wilson also won a Nobel. On May 5th, 1910, Theodore Roosevelt gave his acceptance speech for receiving his political prize.

Here is how Roosevelt began the last paragraph of that speech:

Finally, it would be a masterstroke if those great powers honestly bent on peace would form a League of Peace, not only to keep the peace among themselves, but to prevent, by force if necessary, its being broken by others. The supreme difficulty in connection with developing the peace work of The Hague arises from the lack of any executive power, of any police power to enforce the decrees of the court.

Even here, TR continues his zeal for kingly government and some power, any power, who can issue decrees to all of you little peasants out there. But this is much, much worse. Being as this speech is from 1910, this makes Roosevelt the first American President(he was a former president at the time) to call for an international body to lord over multiple nations. Note that last line, where he laments the fact that there's no executive power at the Hague. So, to you living in 2016, do you think Roosevelt would be proud of what his World Court has become? It's just a side question, a thought piece.

Woodrow Wilson would continue Roosevelt's work with an attempt to form a League of Peace League of Nations, and finally, TR's cousin Franklin would succeed in implementing the dream, with the introduction of the League of Peace United Nations.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: federalism; globalism; progressingamerica; theodoreroosevelt
Please, please please read the full speech for yourself. Don't take my word for it.
1 posted on 08/28/2016 12:59:59 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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To: mvonfr; Southside_Chicago_Republican; celmak; SvenMagnussen; miss marmelstein; ...
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Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

Summary: Please read Roosevelt's original words, (I'll paste below) it is little more than a page long.

2 posted on 08/28/2016 1:02:11 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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A WORLD LEAGUE OF PEACE

Oration Delivered at Christiana, Norway, May 5th, 1910

It is with peculiar pleasure that I stand here today to express the deep appreciation I feel of the high honor conferred upon me by the presentation of the Nobel Peace Prize. The gold medal which formed part of the prize I shall always keep, and I shall hand it on to my children as a precious heirloom. The sum of money provided as part of the prize by the wise generosity of the illustrious founder of this world-famous prize system, I did not, under the peculiar circumstances of the case, feel at liberty to keep. I think it eminently just and proper that in most cases the recipient of the prize should keep for his own use the prize in its entirety. But in this case, while I did not act officially as President of the United States, it was nevertheless only because I was President that I was enabled to act at all; and I felt that the money must be considered as having been given me in trust for the United States. I therefore used it as a nucleus for a foundation to forward the cause of industrial peace, as being well within the general purpose of your Committee; for in our complex industrial civilization of today the peace of righteousness and justice, the only kind of peace worth having, is at least as necessary in the industrial world as it is among nations. There is at least as much need to curb the cruel greed and arrogance of part of the world of capital, to curb the cruel greed and violence of part of the world of labor, as to check a cruel and unhealthy militarism in international relationships.

We must ever bear in mind that the great end in view is righteousness, justice as between man and man, nation and nation, the chance to lead our lives on a somewhat higher level, with a broader spirit of brotherly goodwill one for another. Peace is generally good in itself, but it is never the highest good unless it comes as the handmaid of righteousness; and it becomes a very evil thing if it serves merely as a mask for cowardice and sloth, or as an instrument to further the ends of despotism or anarchy. We despise and abhor the bully, the brawler, the oppressor, whether in private or public life, but we despise no less the coward and the voluptuary. No man is worth calling a man who will not fight rather than submit to infamy or see those that are dear to him suffer wrong. No nation deserves to exist if it permits itself to lose the stern and virile virtues; and this without regard to whether the loss is due to the growth of a heartless and all-absorbing commercialism, to prolonged indulgence in luxury and soft, effortless ease, or to the deification of a warped and twisted sentimentality.

Moreover, and above all, let us remember that words count only when they give expression to deeds, or are to be translated into them. The leaders of the Red Terror prattled of peace while they steeped their hands in the blood of the innocent; and many a tyrant has called it peace when he has scourged honest protest into silence. Our words must be judged by our deeds; and in striving for a lofty ideal we must use practical methods; and if we cannot attain all at one leap, we must advance towards it step by step, reasonably content so long as we do actually make some progress in the right direction.

Now, having freely admitted the limitations of our work and the qualifications to be borne in mind, I feel that I have the right to have my words taken seriously when I point out where, in my judgment, great advance can be made in the cause of international peace. I speak as a practical man, and whatever I now advocate I actually tried to do when I was for the time being the head of a great nation and keenly jealous of its honor and interest. I ask other nations to do only what I should be glad to see my own nation do.

The advance can be made along several lines. First of all there can be treaties of arbitration. There are, of course, states so backward that a civilized community ought not to enter into an arbitration treaty with them, at least until we have gone much further than at present in securing some kind of international police action. But all really civilized communities should have effective arbitration treaties among themselves. I believe that these treaties can cover almost all questions liable to arise between such nations, if they are drawn with the explicit agreement that each contracting party will respect the others territory and its absolute sovereignty within that territory, and the equally explicit agreement that (aside from the very rare cases where the nation's honor is vitally concerned) all other possible subjects of controversy will be submitted to arbitration. Such a treaty would insure peace unless one party deliberately violated it. Of course, as yet there is no adequate safeguard against such deliberate violation, but the establishment of a sufficient number of these treaties would go a long way towards creating a world opinion which would finally find expression in the provision of methods to forbid or punish any such violation.

Secondly, there is the further development of the Hague Tribunal, of the work of the conferences and courts at The Hague. It has been well said that the first Hague Conference framed a Magna Charta for the nations; it set before us an ideal which has already to some extent been realized, and towards the full realization of which we can all steadily strive. The second Conference made further progress; the third should do yet more. Meanwhile the American government has more than once tentatively suggested methods for completing the Court of Arbitral Justice constituted at the second Hague Conference and for rendering it effective. It is earnestly to be hoped that the various governments of Europe, working with those of America and of Asia, shall set themselves seriously to the task of devising some method which shall accomplish this result. If I may venture the suggestion, it would be well for the statesmen of the world, in planning for the erection of this world court, to study what has been done in the United States by the Supreme Court. I cannot help thinking that the Constitution of the United States, notably in the establishment of the Supreme Court and in the methods adopted for securing peace and good relations among and between the different states, offers certain valuable analogies to what should be striven for in order to secure, through the Hague courts and conferences, a species of world federation for international peace and justice. There are, of course, fundamental differences between what the United States Constitution does and what we should even attempt at this time to secure at The Hague; but the methods adopted in the American Constitution to prevent hostilities between the states, and to secure the supremacy of the Federal Court in certain classes of cases, are well worth the study of those who seek at The Hague to obtain the same results on a world scale.

In the third place, something should be done as soon as possible to check the growth of armaments, especially naval armaments, by international agreement. No one power could or should act by itself, for it is eminently undesirable, from the standpoint of the peace of righteousness, that a power which really does believe in peace should place itself at the mercy of some rival which may at bottom have no such belief and no intention of acting on it. But granted sincerity of purpose, the great powers of the world should find no insurmountable difficulty in reaching an agreement which would put an end to the present costly and growing extravagance of expenditure on naval armaments. An agreement merely to limit the size of ships would have been very useful a few years ago and would still be of use; but the agreement should go much further.

Finally, it would be a masterstroke if those great powers honestly bent on peace would form a League of Peace, not only to keep the peace among themselves, but to prevent, by force if necessary, its being broken by others. The supreme difficulty in connection with developing the peace work of The Hague arises from the lack of any executive power, of any police power to enforce the decrees of the court. In any community of any size the authority of the courts rests upon actual or potential force: on the existence of a police, or on the knowledge that the able-bodied men of the country are both ready and willing to see that the decrees of judicial and legislative bodies are put into effect. In new and wild communities where there is violence, an honest man must protect himself; and until other means of securing his safety are devised, it is both foolish and wicked to persuade him to surrender his arms while the men who are dangerous to the community retain theirs. He should not renounce the right to protect himself by his own efforts until the community is so organized that it can effectively relieve the individual of the duty of putting down violence. So it is with nations. Each nation must keep well prepared to defend itself until the establishment of some form of international police power, competent and willing to prevent violence as between nations. As things are now, such power to command peace throughout the world could best be assured by some combination between those great nations which sincerely desire peace and have no thought themselves of committing aggressions. The combination might at first be only to secure peace within certain definite limits and on certain definite conditions; but the ruler or statesman who should bring about such a combination would have earned his place in history for all time and his title to the gratitude of all mankind.

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3 posted on 08/28/2016 1:04:27 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
TR was a very complex man. One who's great thoughts he shared will everyone, out-loud. So, don't take one or several speeches of his as something that defines the man.

He was a progressive thinker during his era, something needed at that period of time. However, his thinking generally evolved into common good, not like the thinking of today's 'progressives' which divides us, promotes murder, and abominations.

As for the Nobel he won, he actually earned it:

"On December 10, 1906, Theodore Roosevelt became the first American to win a Nobel Prize. Roosevelt was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his work surrounding the Treaty of Portsmouth, which ended the Russo-Japanese War."

http://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/Blog/2010/December/10-Roosevelt-is-Awarded-the-Nobel-Peace-Prize.aspx

So, to you living in 2016, do you think Roosevelt would be proud of what his World Court has become?

Hardly. If the author of this piece knew anything about the man at all, he'd at least know this.

Finally, like the rest of us, TR was just a man, he made mistakes, but a great man nonetheless.

4 posted on 08/28/2016 1:57:27 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: amorphous

Unfortunately for us, his ego resulted in the election of Wilson, which was a disaster across the board and had repercussions that have lasted to this day.


5 posted on 08/28/2016 2:11:53 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
The biggest mistake TR ever made was stating he would not run for a 'third term' - his first term served in the absence of an assassinated President McKinley. Btw, there was also a later assassination attempt on TR..

As for Wilson, yes he was a disaster!

6 posted on 08/28/2016 2:24:07 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Think Teddy and Eleanor were from the progressive wing of the Roosevelt clan. FDR from the classical liberal wing.


7 posted on 08/28/2016 2:28:18 PM PDT by amihow
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Teddy would not be too happy with what has happened to the United Nations. The concept of a league of nations or the UN is a good one. There should be world bodies for countries to discuss matters as long as it doesn't trample country sovereignty. However the implementation of such a concept is only as good as the people and countries that run it. The UN has dissolved into a cesspit so that tells a lot about the people and countries that have been in charge of it.
8 posted on 08/28/2016 2:31:36 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ProgressingAmerica

All of us know how politicized the Nobel Prize is, but many people falsely believe that it’s only been politicized since around the time of Obama, perhaps since the time of Carter.


I’ll believe it’s been worse when someone gives me a case of awarding the Nobel on what someone MIGHT do. That’s the Obama Nobel.


9 posted on 08/28/2016 2:32:50 PM PDT by sparklite2 (The trouble is, you think you have time.)
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To: amihow
No, FDR was a lefty but TR wasn't.

FDR and his wife were ELITISTS; TR wasn't!

Teddy Roosevelt fought against the GOPers of his era; FDR and his wife WERE the elitists!

Some people keep trying to smear Teddy with the "progressive" brush, but judging past times through today's eyes just doesn't really work, unless one sticks to very clear and distinct measures.

10 posted on 08/28/2016 3:00:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

You may be correct, but my staement stands. If Teddy not a progressive he bucked his wing of the family.


11 posted on 08/28/2016 3:56:16 PM PDT by amihow
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