Posted on 06/16/2016 5:33:53 AM PDT by RC one
They were all on the radar.
Do you believe for an instant that being on a "Terror Watch List" would have prevented them carrying out their crimes?
Just publish the list.
Are you in league with Barack Hussein 0bama, Hillary Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and Jeh Johnson in favoring secret "No Guns" lists and universal background checks?
No, are you still molesting children?
No way. The law will have due process (not the kind you think, but it will be due process), and SCOTUS will either refuse the case or uphold the law.
You're right that the law will not be a deterrent. It is feel good and make work for list makers and maintainters.
Not for transfers for example between friends and family members.
Totally ineffectual Big Government at work. With plenty of cheerleaders here.
Yeah, right. And that accomplished what, exactly?
Just publish the list.
OK. I posed a bunch of question upthread about who gets on these lists, how they get there, and how innocent people get off the lists. Can you actually answer them?
No
Right. You at least want the "denial of constitutional rights without due process" lists to be public. It's still a dumb idea, and gives even more power to a government that has proven its untrustworthiness.
The pernicious evil of the government as a whole is easy to miss. The sound bite that will be provided is that "this law includes due process." The listener will translate that into "whatever." Well, the political prisoners sent to the gulags had due process too.
Trusting any government is the first step to having yourself or your posterity subjugated. I think it's too late. The government can easily overpower the people. The experiment of having the people in charge of their own government is over. It is claimed to exist, sure, same all over the world.
This is giving a bit too much power to the Government—and it will be abused—Look at the IRS? Look at the FBI. What happens when Liberals are out of power and “Put on a Watch List”?
To some, it may sound like a good idea, but there are too many problems with it, especially as so many have been put on the list for political expediency vs. any terror connections. If they are on the list for valid reasons, they shouldn't be walking around free to plan and commit murder - that would solve the problem of their buying weapons....
Seems to me the ‘terror watch list’ is handled by very incompetent people.
And lots of qualifiers to the ‘protected class’, which render it (almost) completely useless.
If we don’t solve the PC culture as the root problem, prohibiting anything including the guaranteed right from the Constitution is absolutely fruitless.
Do we know what criteria is used to stick people on the list? Just watch the current criteria expanded to include any number of groups - previous gun purchasers, tea party folks, Christians, conservatives, registered Republicans, members of conservative forums - all fair game.
For all we know, every one of us here at FR could be on a list of some kind, if not on the no fly list - yet.
This is just another power grab and attempt to prevent people from exercising both their 2nd and 1st Amendment rights.
Don’t fall for it and don’t expect for SCOTUS to save the day.
I would be totally surprised if even left wing groups such as the ACLU would support this.
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Yep. My mother, age 72 was on the no fly list....some scumbag with similar name with warrants out. Took her MONTHS to get off of it, with the help of liberal Dem. Vic Snyder believe it or not.
The headache didn’t end there. YEARS after getting off the list, I got her signed up for TSA Precheck and Global Entry. Nope. Feds say she can’t have TSA precheck or Global entry because, at one point, she was on a no fly list. A couple of thousand dollars in lawyer fees letter, with Senator John Bozeman and Congressman Tim Griffin, we FINALLY persuaded them that she is a good citizen.
72 years old, 800+ credit score, no arrests, no traffic citations, NOTHING....(she did get a C in badminton in 1958).
The “No fly/No Buy” legislation sounds good, but the .gov will screw that up too. Call your Congresscritter and Senator and tell them this story.
I will.
Guns didn’t kill anyone in Orlando, an Islamic terrorist did.
They’ve managed again to change the conversation. No one’s even talking about the terrorists in the msm, only guns.
All gun restrictions need to be scrapped.
Lesson in common sense posting. When you begin with an idiotic word or phrase, you eliminate any reason to read further.
Oh, and you are a Clintard!
If they are on a watch list why haven’t they already been investigated?
Probably because the FBI is too busy watching freeper types.
I am, reluctantly, voting for Trump.
The Devils We Know, Hillary! and Mad Uncle Bernie, are so bad, that Trump can’t be worse and might, possibly, be better.
Doesn’t mean I trust him even one tiny bit.
“Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the... shot as an enemy combatant.”
Yeah, we don’t need any due process rights or even the 1st 10 ammendments! Screw all that and let’s just put names on a list and move them to execution camps!
Remember when the US Attorney General was advising that we add Tea Party members, Veterans, folks with Gadsden flags and any number of other things to the Terror watch list?
It is astounding that such a comment would be made on any freedom loving forum.
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