Posted on 06/16/2016 5:33:53 AM PDT by RC one
Sadly, I think you’re right.
Not sure where you sarcasm tag is. Note that this latest yahoo wasn’t on a list.He had been investigated but his cases were closed.
There can be no list without due process. The lists we currently have are unconstitutional, imho.
Pubbies need a spine...prohibit gun free zones and watch the death rates drop.
We all have to submit to a background check when purchasing firearms. What they propose is delaying issue until the person on the list has been cleared by the FBI. The FBI will be given a time limit to either file or drop the case.
Many states have mandatory wait times for firearms. This would be no different other than it would only affect those under FBI investigation.
Meanwhile our public servants in the "Department of Homeland Security" think that Tea Party activists and veterans are as big a threat as islamic terrorists. Our public servants in the FBI aren't allowed to talk about radical islamists or shariah.
Now, riddle me this:
Was the Fort Hood murderer on the "Terror Watch List"?
Were the San Bernardino murderers on the "Terror Watch List"?
Was the Orlando murderer on the "Terror Watch List"?
Were the Boston Marathon bombers on the "Terror Watch List"?
Do you believe for an instant that being on a "Terror Watch List" would have prevented them carrying out their crimes?
Are you in league with Barack Hussein 0bama, Hillary Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and Jeh Johnson in favoring secret "No Guns" lists and universal background checks?
And many States have explicitly REJECTED mandatory wait times for firearm purchases.
Your refusal to answer reasonable questions ... or to admit that you cannot answer ... is noted.
Have a nice day.
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Ya know, it’s knuckleheads like you which prevent any type discussion about anything. You don’t know which position Trump took, automatically you ascribe the negative one to Trump. If you took half a second to pull your head from your ass, you would know it’s organizations such as AARP, NRA, Planned Parenthood, Heckle and Jeckle fan club, etc., that seek to fill coffers by preying on rubes like yourself.
“I’m confused as to why a new law is needed to implement this”
It’s an election year and they want to look like they are doing something.
If a person on a “watchlist” can buy a gun and go on a shooting spree they were probably not being watched by anyone. It’s just a typical dumbocrat government program.
The deterrent effect of the proposed law is negligible. It will stop no determined criminal. It's make work for people who administer watch lists, lawyers who work to get their clients off the watch lists, and judges who help the government deny rights to people who have no criminal inclination or intention.
When this measure fails, as it certainly will, stronger measures will be taken. The goal is confiscation of firearms - and the government will tell the people that confiscation is not afoul of the 2nd amendment.
Really? You can't think of a reason?
We are a nation of laws, not lists. Being on a "list" is not due process.
This is a no brainer folks.
Donald Trump presents himself as a great, fearless leader who wants to Make America Great Again(tm). Oddly enough, he has to closet himself with the NRA (which you apparently deride) in order to figure out whether letting the government create secret lists to deny Constitution protected rights is a good idea or not. The evil stupidity of Barry Hussein's secret lists and universal gun registration schemes should be obvious. You don't Make America Great Again(tm) by creating secret government lists.
No, I didn’t deride anybody. I’ll just wait to read the actual content of the discussion. You anti-Trumpers need to calm down.
The DEMs do not have a monopoly on abuse of power. Our federal government, all of it, is paranoid and afraid of the public. This "us v them" mindset harbored by the government transcends party affiliation. One can find it in the local police shop too, or your town council.
As I noted above, the proposed law will function only as make work for government minions and lawyers. It will deter ZERO attacks. When this law fails, as it is guaranteed to do, stronger measures will be enacted.
Yes I remember Bush making this calculation on campaign finance reform. And we are still losing to this day because he thought the supreme court would find this or that unconstitutional.
Further, I can't believe anyone would rely on the supreme court, the same court that has found Obamacare to be constitutional.
We are in a fight for our very existence folks. We can not afford to give an inch to the enemy.
The real function of this is "subtle" and profound. What this does, and there is ample precedent for it, is to shift the presumption and the burden.
You'll get your due process alright, but from the position of being presumed dangerous, with the burden of proving otherwise being on your shoulders. See civil asset forfeiture.
Then your outburst truly was meaningless.
I'll say my piece. You don't have to like it.
I’ve emailed my GOP senators. Anyone want to hold their breath, waiting for Juan McCain and Jeff McFlake paying ANY attention to their constituents?
Me neither! Those two serve DC, and DC alone!
Well put. The pernicious evil of this secret watch list business is easy to miss.
I have done the same. The execrable Joe Manchin will toss my email in the trash; I'm not sure what the squishy GOPe Shelley Moore Capito will do.
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