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Rethinking Education (Vanity)
2/20/16 | Republicanprofessor

Posted on 02/20/2016 7:56:38 AM PST by Republicanprofessor

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1 posted on 02/20/2016 7:56:38 AM PST by Republicanprofessor
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2 posted on 02/20/2016 8:10:57 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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Point #5, allowing teachers with actual experience rather than lifelong academia is critical. Tenured academics who have never faced scrutiny on actual performance over their time in service need to face real competition.

Thank you for composing and posting your article.


3 posted on 02/20/2016 8:11:02 AM PST by datura (Proud Infidel)
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Bookmarked also.


4 posted on 02/20/2016 8:12:16 AM PST by datura (Proud Infidel)
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When the student is ready the teacher appears.

Pethaps we should get rid of compulsory education beyond Jr. High?

And provide more vocational training and get rid of all ethnic, feminist, gendergender, etc studies.


5 posted on 02/20/2016 8:12:55 AM PST by aquila48
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To: Republicanprofessor

When the student is ready the teacher appears.

Pethaps we should get rid of compulsory education beyond Jr. High?

And provide more vocational training and get rid of all ethnic, feminist, gender, etc studies.


6 posted on 02/20/2016 8:14:24 AM PST by aquila48
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There's too much there, FRiend. A few talking points are good, and lead to a fruitful discussion. But many talking points tend to overwhelm. Perhaps you'll consider a second post with just a few key points.

Having said that (respectfully), I'm a veteran urban public school teacher, and here's my two cents.

One, we have no control over curriculum anymore. Everything is centrally managed. I must teach an honors Physics class, all of whom have already taken trig, the exact same way I teach a basic Physics class. That's just crazy.

Two, we have no control over discipline anymore. The focus now is on reducing suspensions (to improve statistics), not on providing orderly classrooms.

And three, I (again respectfully) think you are overemphasizing the "bored, ineffective teachers" thing. I want to work with competent colleagues. The incompetent ones ruin subject tracking, not to mention their effect on students. But I estimate only 5% of teachers I've worked with are incompetent. That percentage is probably the same in most professions.

7 posted on 02/20/2016 8:16:06 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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Great post.

Emailed to my Conservative wife (teacher)

Some of this sounds like conversations at our dinner table.


8 posted on 02/20/2016 8:22:26 AM PST by jcon40
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You are probably right on all accounts. I have hesitated posting this for some time, probably because I knew it was too much.

You are also probably right on the number of bored teachers. I have spent more time at the college level. My main question is: How do we motivate students to learn?


9 posted on 02/20/2016 8:22:33 AM PST by Republicanprofessor
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The elephant in the room is PC and the coercive tactics which are given moral high ground in protecting unexamined assumptions. I am an older college student, and it breaks my heart to see perfectly lovely young people competing over who has the most wrong with them thus qualifying them for coveted “victim” status.

There is a whole lot that will straighten out quick if PC is removed. The competitiveness is still there, it’s just currently being misdirected.


10 posted on 02/20/2016 8:24:19 AM PST by BlackAdderess ("They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself." ---Andy Warhol)
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How do we motivate students to learn?

Have the teachers draw the bell curve in order to receive their paycheck.

11 posted on 02/20/2016 8:27:03 AM PST by cornelis
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Respectfully, your “there’s too much there” commentary makes his point. I started out in the public schools and had to work hard to get over the attitude that something was too much work.

One point he misses is getting pupils, and there is a difference between students and pupils, to love learning is the key; to make them life long learners is the goal. It does not matter that much if you master a subject without any ability to learn, take it further, and make use of it.


12 posted on 02/20/2016 8:27:44 AM PST by rey
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One thing I have NEVER been asked in all of the teaching positions that I have sought is, what do you know, and/or any real discussion about teaching In other words, how do you impart what you know?

All that schools are concerned about is indoctrination, hence the importance placed upon the diversity statement and discussions along those lines. Socialization takes precedence over learning.


13 posted on 02/20/2016 8:30:46 AM PST by rey
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Here’s the key: recognize that “education” is not something that is done to someone, it’s something that someone does.

And recognize that, at some age around 12, it’s possible to identify possible high school students and others (most) for whom further education is a waste.

Limit college to the top 5%, determined by exam.

After that, everything else falls into place.


14 posted on 02/20/2016 8:31:31 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown, are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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Two, we have no control over discipline anymore. The focus now is on reducing suspensions (to improve statistics), not on providing orderly classrooms

Respectfully, once you get there, it's over.

15 posted on 02/20/2016 8:33:12 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown, are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: rey

So what do you know?


16 posted on 02/20/2016 8:33:22 AM PST by cornelis
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My main question is: How do we motivate students to learn?

You can't.

Next slide.

17 posted on 02/20/2016 8:33:55 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown, are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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I know what it is to teach. I know that the issues surrounding education cannot be covered in 30 second sound bites as we have been conditioned by public education and by media. I recognize when somebody is not ready for education or prepared to discuss something rationally and in depth.


18 posted on 02/20/2016 8:36:07 AM PST by rey
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there is a difference between students and pupils, to love learning is the key; to make them life long learners is the goal

Born, not made.

Universal high school is not only a waste of money (bad enough) but it pisses off the majority of sub-90 IQ "students", the boys get violent in response, the girls get pregnant.

My grandmother taught in NYC Public for 55 years, if she were here, she would say in response to the question about how to make non-students into students - "You can't. Somebody's got to clean the subways".

Too bad grandma's not in charge.

19 posted on 02/20/2016 8:38:09 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown, are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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While your points are solid I am against the federalization of education (and most everything else).

Some one once told me, "There are two things with which God will not help man; to find a teacher and to find a friend. You must do that on your own."

And of course, Einstein said, "There are two things eternal. Human stupidity and the universe. And I'm not even sure about the universe."

20 posted on 02/20/2016 8:40:10 AM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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