Posted on 01/18/2016 7:19:37 AM PST by Cboldt
My letter to Jason Savage, the executive diretor of the Maine GOP ...
There is evidence that Cruz is a naturalized citizen of the US. He was born in Canada, and the SCOTUS case of Rogers v. Bellei, if applied, would assign Cruz the status of naturalized citizen of the US.
I understand that certification of his qualifications emanates from the RNC, and that the Maine GOP is powerless to challenge the certification. A certification that is clearly false, as any competent court would find, if it found it had jurisdiction.
I also understand that I am voting, in the general, for an elector, ant that I am not voting for the eventual nominee of the party.
Nonetheless, what is occurring is in the nature of perpetrating a fraud on those who are considering the slate of candidate offered in the primary. The party should offer only qualified candidates.
What should be done about this, and what are you going to do about this?
* yawn *
The right pedigree is the most important thing in a Dog and Pony show.
How do we know that Donald Trump is not the bastard son of an Italian Waiter?
I want Paternity tests on all candidates. After all, Vattel insisted that the right of Citizenship flowed from the father.
We must insist that every candidate show that they are a pure bred. No Mongrels allowed!
The RNC is more than willing to commit the same crime as did San Fran Nan and certify a candidate that they know is ineligible. They are politicians.Laws do not apply to them. Tar, feathers and orange jump suits might make them change their minds. Worth a try IMHO!
+1
True indeed. But Cruz presents an opportunity for a very clear flouting of the law, unlike Obama who can hide behind handwaving and shiny shit until somebody with clarity of mind sees through the smokescreen
I pray for great wisdom to apply in the situation. It looks like a “Casus Bellei” all right. At the least it shows that the USSC can come at this thing from different angles and nobody knows which one it will take.
It’s possible that yes, Cruz did bite off more than he could chew in this situation. This may not be his hour for the presidential race. That doesn’t mean it isn’t his hour for something else.
Nobody wins a game of negativity and doubt. Trump and Cruz might be better positioned with Cruz helping to push the Trump spearhead and with both taking a positive tone.
If you’re a Naturalized Citizen, wouldn’t you have to attend a Naturalization ceremony? Can you tell us when Cruz had his Naturalization ceremony?
One need not attend a naturalization ceremony to be naturalized. Congress has the power to naturalize people without resort to the ceremony, and it has constitutionally exercised that power in 8 USC 1401 et seq.
Seeing as how Cruz falls into the class of naturalized without a naturalization ceremony, he did not attend a naturalization ceremony.
From wiki
Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 (1971), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court, which held that an individual who received an automatic congressional grant of citizenship at birth, but who was born outside the United States, may lose his citizenship for failure to fulfill any reasonable residence requirements which the United States Congress may impose as a condition subsequent to that citizenship.
The appellee, Aldo Mario Bellei, was born in Italy to an Italian father and an American mother. He acquired U.S. citizenship by virtue of section 1993 of the Revised Statutes of 1874, which conferred citizenship upon any child born outside the United States of only one American parent (known as jus sanguinis). Bellei received several warnings from government officials that failure to fulfill the five-year residency requirement before age 28 could result in loss of his U.S. citizenship. In 1964, he received a letter informing him that his citizenship had been revoked under § 301(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. Bellei challenged the constitutionality of this act. The three-judge District Court held the section unconstitutional, citing Afroyim v. Rusk, and Schneider v. Rusk. The Supreme Court reversed the decision, ruling against Bellei.
Arguments and opinions in the justification of a decision of one case are legally definitive of absolutely nothing for another case.
They carry no more weight than a footnote and set no more legal precedent than a court stenographers fart.
Natural-born means citizen at birth. If you have any difficulty believing that was the original intent of the Constitution, you need only read the Naturalization Act of 1790, the very first Congress, which grants “natural-born citizen” status to those who are citizens at birth.
The Naturalization Act was merely legislation. It is no longer the controlling legislation. The important point is that it answers what the Constitution means by “natural-born citizen.”
This looks like a pretty good parallel to the Cruz situation, though I never fail to be surprised at what we would think is slam dunk, not being so at the USSC.
It looks like a doubt situation at this point. The class move would be for Cruz not to buck this, and, I think, throw support to Trump. He needs to sit down with Trump and make a deal. Trump needs advice. Cruz is usually good at things conservative. This would greatly help the conservative angst at Trump and make him more acceptable. Both should agree that we don’t have time to tolerate another Democrat presidency.
So what you are saying is that whereas no court granted standing for anyone to sue Obama, that is no guarantee that no court will grant standing to sue Ted Cruz.
That's poppycock. You are being pedantic, and are a sophist. Probably an idiot too, if I may speak my mind.
The USSC could buck this, yes. WILL it, especially when it has ulterior motives not to... another question.
The Act of 1790 is, on its face, an "undefinition". It creates a legal fiction.
So Cboldt is citing this because he believes that Cruz never lived in the U.S.?
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