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Where did the "Initiative, Referendum, and Recall" movement begin?
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Posted on 01/09/2016 3:21:41 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica

One of the most visible and well known efforts of the early 20th century progressive movement was the movement bearing these three words: Initiative, Referendum, and Recall.

Where does that come from? Those five words are the death-knell of progressivism. "Where does that come from?", whatever "that" happens to be in the context of progressivism.

Most of our past history lessons that address the topic(as much as we remember them) tell us that the Initiative, Referendum, and Recall were born from the progressive movement. Wikipedia's page on the topic carries that same message, since only "reliable sources" can be used on Wikipedia. This doesn't really tell us much, and just restates in a different way what I've already said.

The system of Initiative, Referendum, and Recall, initially just Initiative and Referendum, or sometimes shortened to "I" and "R" or I&R, first came to America by way of watching how people in Switzerland did things at the time. American progressives looked to Swiss socialists and believed that with this single process, the Swiss had a great idea. Much has been written about this, so I'm moving on.

While South Dakota was the first state to move to I&R in 1898, and Utah became the second in 1900, I&R has another name. It is known as "The Oregon System", and it's been known by that name for 100 years.(Link 1, Link 2)

The father of The Oregon System is one William Simon U'Ren, a progressive republican, who is known to have been a proponent of I&R going back to 1892. U'Ren's Wikipedia page is surprisingly quite honest about the fact that U'Ren saw I&R as a path forward to seeing Georgist(Henry George) ideas get implemented in his state and elsewhere.(this early Encyclopedia entry states the same)

This is where the fun begins.

Arthur Nichols Young, a historian of the Single Tax movement, pointed out that "For nearly twenty five years single taxers have advocated the initiative and referendum as a means of getting their measures before the people for discussion." This was the sentence that got me looking. Can we test and prove this to be the case? Well, 25 years would put it at 1891, so the math works. So now we just need to know whom. U'Ren, of course. But what were his influences, and what did he say? We have already established his influence from Henry George, but there's also another important component. U'Ren read a book titled Direct Legislation Through the Initiative and Referendum, but I'll get to this at the end.

As for what U'Ren said on the topic, he stated the following at a Single Tax Conference held in New York, on November 19-20th, 1910:

I read Progress and Poverty in 1882, and I went just as crazy over the Single Tax idea as any one else ever did. I knew I wanted the Single Tax, and that was about all I did know. I thought I could get it by agitation, and was often disgusted with a world that refused to be agitated for what I wanted. In 1882 (sic) I learned what the Initiative and Referendum is, and then I saw the way to the Single Tax. SO I QUIT TALKING SINGLE TAX, not because I was any the less in favor of it but because I saw that the first job was to get the Initiative and Referendum, so that the people independently of the Legislature, may get what they want rather than take what the Legislature will let them have.

If there's one thing you can trust, it's that progressives will use deceit to their advantage whenever necessary.

Now, as to the book Direct Legislation Through the Initiative and Referendum. What's interesting about this book is the book's publisher: "True Nationalist Publishing". What's important about that is that "True Nationalist" was a publishing company formed to push out Edward Bellamy's Nationalist ideas; ideas based on his book Looking Backward, which was the genesis of the Nationalist Movement in the United States.

It should not be any wonder then, why I&R was so successful and became the Progressive Movement's first signature accomplishment. Both of the Progressive Movement's most important early efforts - The Single Tax/Georgists and the Nationalists were on board driving it forward.

This is a very important thing to understand about the beginnings of the progressive movement. Henry George and Edward Bellamy are to progressivism what Engels and Marx are to communism.


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1 posted on 01/09/2016 3:21:41 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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To: celmak; SvenMagnussen; miss marmelstein; conservatism_IS_compassion; Loud Mime; Grampa Dave; ...
If anybody wants on/off the revolutionary progressivism ping list, send me a message

Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

Summary: Deceit is at the very core of progressivism. They wouldn't be progressives, they wouldn't "make progress" without masking their true intent.

2 posted on 01/09/2016 3:24:08 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to the historians anymore.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Mark Twain and the Single Tax
3 posted on 01/09/2016 3:29:16 PM PST by Pelham (Muslim immigration...the enemy is inside the wire.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
IMO ... in the sixties

It was late 60's, early seventies I started contemplating language and how it was being manipulated

4 posted on 01/09/2016 3:33:53 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica; All
With all due respect ProgressingAmerica, if I understand you correctly please consider the following.

The states are free to abuse their 10th Amendment-protected powers to practice Social Darwinism to blow their feet off with socialistic, redistribute the wealth laws, as long as such laws do not abridge citizens constitutionally enumerated protections which is prohibited by Section 1 of the 14th Amendment.

I have no problems with any state blowing itself out of the water as a consequence of going broke because low-information voters were tricked into following socialistic fantasies. We simply remove a star from the flag for each state that does so.

But what low-information socialists like Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton never admit is that the Founding States never meant for socialists to experiment with wealth redistribution at the national level. This is because the federal governments constitutionally limited powers simply do not permit the feds to experiment with social spending programs.

In fact, a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers. This is evidenced by the following excerpt.

”Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” - Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

5 posted on 01/09/2016 3:57:36 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: ProgressingAmerica

California, Howard Jarvis, proposition 13 is revered.


6 posted on 01/09/2016 4:22:53 PM PST by Fhios (How about we call it a a war on sharia law?)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
I believe IR&R originated in Wisconsin and was codified into law in several other states.
7 posted on 01/09/2016 10:06:24 PM PST by MasterGunner01 ( Barbara Daly Danko)
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To: Fhios
California, Howard Jarvis, proposition 13 is revered

Many have tried, without success.

With the number of homeowners and their mortgages, and their unemployment and inflation, and the growing bureaucracy and its cost, and the continuing deficit spending...

All becoming clear, even to the most ignorant idiots and "progressives," that things are unsustainable and absent a total overhaul of the status quo that sees only the same ol' same ol' a monumental crash in ever facet of our country is ineitable. The odds of success today are essentially nil...

Things are rather clear that someone like TRUMP is a hope, if not a solution.
No more community activists, thankyouverymuch!

After the abject failure of the GOPe of the last 8 years, what rational, informed person actually believes that things will magically be different?

8 posted on 01/10/2016 2:36:53 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW! evil ignorant stupid or crazy-doesn't matter!)
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