Posted on 09/03/2015 12:43:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Did I hear Rush say that we should be willing to vote for Trump even with all of his baggage and left leaning positions and support for Democrats!?
He said the RNC told us to support McCain and Romney (and I think he threw Bush in there) so we should have no trouble supporting Trump.
That's some kind of rallying cry for conservatives.
So would someone please tell me what Trump stands for (other than saying he'll build the fence and deport gang members), and why (other than you want to believe that he has changed) why anyone would trust him.
I'll give you 2 reasons why I know Donald Trump finds it easy and appropriate to lie. (Current history - I'll leave the long, documented list of his liberal ideological positions aside for this exercise, along with Trump's long, documented list of his support for elected Democrat leaders.)
1. He lied (more than once despite it having been proven a lie) that Wisconsin was doing poorly and that it was because of Scott Walker.
2. He lied about a Walker supporter coming to him asking to take him on to his campaign because he wanted to leave Walker.
And here is a third because it is about FReepers willing to repeat lies about candidates to promote their candidate.
If you believe that your candidate is the best thing for the country, then there should be NO REASON to actively spam threads of other candidates with lies.
Your turn.
This is the simple, in-your-face reality that I've been trying to impart to my fellow conservatives for months now.
All of the other candidates are giving us the same old well worn platitudes and promises that Republican presidential candidates roll out every four years. Just as night follows day, they run to the right during the primary, then run to the middle during the general.
If elected, every one but Cruz, would go to Washington and make nice with the power players. Not a single one would even attempt to undo the existing, corrupt framework that is destroying this country.
Only Trump has stood up and shined the light of day on the institutionalized rot that truly needs excising. Only he has loudly identified the one true existential threat to our continued identity as a sovereign people, and only he has had the courage to come right out and say that it must and will end, if he's elected.
I understand that Trump is a flawed hero, but as Lincoln said of Grant, "I can't spare this man. He fights."
I agree. Donald’s biography and his behavior make him the least conservative of the candidates.
“”Trump is the ONLY ONE offering to lead us in that direction...Lead us out of the mess...How could we possibly say no?””
“This is the simple, in-your-face reality that I’ve been trying to impart to my fellow conservatives for months now.”
Isn’t that the exact scenario Barack Obama presented? And Hopeandchange by definition? It’s not intended to be an insult. It’s a serious question.
Pied Piper scenarios rarely have happy endings for those who dance along to the tune guys.
Windy, Trump’s candlepower is as ephemeral as actual candlelight. There’s nothing behind it but the desires we project. Where exactly is the substance behind his words?
Life or death? It’s that every election. Someone always says it. And here we are still talking about it. Laying the groundwork for another self fulfilling prophecy to happen.
Yes he fights.
He flatly rejected us on Obamacare (Sorry conservatives, I love ys but...” Admitting he was not ‘us’ in no uncertain terms.
He sides with the “Law of the land” that put a christian behind bars. And we know his position on homos because he hires and defends them in his pageants.
He fights us every bit as much as he fights the GOP. Or more accurately he fights the GOP and we just turn the other cheek. He doesn’t actually have to fight us. He just tells us the way it’s gonna be and ‘we’ like the abuse.
It’s true isn’t it? Are we collectively not doing exactly that because we wanna believe? Because we hate Democrats and the GOP so much that we will accept anything ‘no matter what”?
If you can find one thing I just said that has not happened exactly as I wrote it, I would love to see it. Since we both know it IS true, then it is what it is Windy. People want so desperately to ‘believe’ they are again going full on Fox Mulder and seeing things they want to.
With Ted Cruz in the race, even with his couple blunders, he is head and shoulders above Trump as a Conservative, a Christian and a constitutionalist. There is ZERO excuse for any conservative to go bug nuts for anyone else unless he utterly blows it and contrary to Donald’s vocal fans assertions, he hasn’t.
A year out and already they invent reasons to not back the man they praised endlessly just a year ago and praise endlessly the man they called a reality show circus clown. Just that fast."
You killed it. 100% on target and perfectly said.
For me, that indicates that most conservatives are still holding out hope that their favorite conservative candidate (Cruz, in most cases) will be the nominee, but that they're grounded enough in reality to admit that it will probably be Trump.
It also tends to indicate that most conservatives are comfortable enough with his ideological/temperamental make-up to willingly cast their vote for him in the general. Obviously, that's because there's more to like about Trump, than to dislike, from our perspective.
What we're not hearing at this point is, "If Trump is the nominee, I'm staying home!" Even knuckle dragging, bitter clinging purists like me, have already concluded that a Trump presidency would be a net positive for this country, and that he would do everything in his power to correct some of the worst existential threats to America.
I, like so many others, have come to that conclusion in the same way conservatives usually do - through careful reasoning, based upon facts and observation.
Listen - the Uniparty establishment doesn't want any candidate that will actually go to Washington and work for The People. They will use every trick in the book, and throw every wrench imaginable at any candidate who threatens to stop their wholesale rape and pillage of this country.
The establishment has now become so powerful and entrenched, that they can prevent the election of any person they deem to be unacceptable. Even worse - they can now run candidates for office who are repulsive to the vast majority of voters - and get them elected anyway, despite our overwhelming disgust.
In such an upside-down political situation, do you really think a Reagan II has any chance of winning the nomination - let alone actually being elected??
You know they don't.
Enter a non-politician who's a known quantity with the electorate, who wants to right some of the most egregious structural wrongs in this country, and who cannot be bought, controlled, intimidated, or maneuvered out of the way by the establishment. Someone who doesn't mince words or spout tired cliches, while kicking the media and the political establishment in the ass every single day.
Thank God this man is solidly pro-American, even if he doesn't pass our most rigid conservative litmus tests.
That is a very perceptive post. What you said about the GOPe is true. Without Trump in the race, odds are overwhelming they’d have found a way to force Jeb onto us. Then they’d do their usual damned-in-hell victory dance, i.e.: ‘you have to vote Jeb or you’ll get Sanders (or whoever).’
Conservatives would have revolted in greater #s than last time, and we’d have gotten yet another Dem. Bye bye USA.
We’ll see how it all plays out. But so far the GOpe is living their worst nightmare, and that’s good by me.
The Dem/GOP Uniparty establishment was all set to run the same old game on us, as they always do, until Trump showed up and derailed the theft of yet another presidential election.
If not for him, The Plan would be proceeding apace, and we'd all be quietly (but fearfully) steeling ourselves for Jeb to 'win' the nomination.
As you said, the GOP-e was probably quite willing to watch as he went down to defeat even worse than Romney and McCain did. All so that they and their friends could continue the wholesale dismantling and auction sale of the greatest nation on earth.
I don't think I can ever adequately thank that unlikely hero, Donald Trump, for stepping in and putting a stop to that treason.
Again, couldn’t agree more. What we are up against—and what we seemed incapable of surmounting pre-Trump—is a simply mind boggling level of corruption. That came home to me when I watched the GOPe STEAL the MS runoff between TEA party candidate Chris Daniel and senile GOPe fixture Thad Cochrin. The GOPe employed illegal tactics against Daniel that would make the average Dem blush. It was simply staggering.
From then on I have seen it as a life and death struggle between both Dems AND the GOPe. Unfortunately, all the ammo was on the side of the people who have spent decades consolidating money and power in D.C.
Suddenly Trump put a w e a p o n in our hands. A powerful, fully functioning w e a p o n. Now we can fight back against the GOPe juggernaut. Count me in for that.
I do really like, btw, the fact that Trump and Cruz have held mmultiple ‘secret’ meetings, and have clearly reached an accommodation. Trump never has a bad word to speak about Cruz, and the latter has been lavish in his praise of Trump. If this portends a future team effort, the Trump/Cruz juggernaut would be a thing to behold.
bttt
Bump that!
When I first read that Cruz and Trump had met behind closed doors, I knew they were striking some sort of 'deal'. Naturally, my thought was that, they had to be planning to forge a ticket for the general election with Trump at the top. I still think that's the most plausible explanation for their obvious public alliance.
I think it speaks well of Cruz' brilliance and ability to see the long game.
“I think it speaks well of Cruz’ brilliance and ability to see the long game.’
On this we agree. I have been overwhelmingly impressed with Cruz’ handling of Trump. So many of the others have imagined it was in their best interests to lock horns with Trump. That works out about as well for them as a bee stinging a honey badger.
Meanwhile Cruz compliments Trump, stays in the very good graces of Donald’s swelling ranks, and kerps us all intently speculating on the future. If you are right, that Trump-Cruz plan to eventually team up, that is a stroke of genius.
Let’s just hope you ARE right! It would be a ticket for the history books.
Wouldn't it, though?
I can hardly think of a better duo to tackle what lies before us at this time in our history. Those two compliment each other so well. Where Trump is weak, Cruz is strong. Where Cruz is weak, Trump is strong.
Together, they could (and well may) do miraculous things for America. As a team, they're greater than the sum of their parts.
“if he wins the primary, I’ll vote for him in the general.”
“For me, that indicates that most conservatives are still holding out hope that their favorite conservative candidate (Cruz, in most cases) will be the nominee, but that they’re grounded enough in reality to admit that it will probably be Trump. “
Isn’t that the same...THE VERY SAME...’logic’ that has resulted in a RINO dominated GOP? That elected Mitch and Jonbon?
Yes it is.
I’m plenty grounded in reality. I think he will be our next president. Not because he’s the best choice. Not because he is trustworthy. Not because of any reason we -should- want someone elected. I think he will be president for all the reasons you and I have discussed to death over the years.
Because it’s a lesser evil. No matter what. No different than 2012 or 2014 AT ALL. Remember my email to you predicting exactly this the day after Mitt threw the election?
Did I not call this to the letter? OK granted, I didn’t think the rush would happen till later. But it happened and for the same reason.
You’re in Texas. You know the first rule when cattle stampede. “Get the hell out of the way”. We get what we deserve. I want to be wrong. I want Trump to put us on the right path to fixing this mess.
I also want a pony.
“You killed it. 100% on target and perfectly said. “
My dear lady, it is, quite simply what we do on Team Obvious! ;)
Kidding aside, I don’t see how it’s remotely arguable. It’s simply history and logic already there to see for anyone that wants to look. You can’t get to any other conclusion without projecting things that aren’t there.
The biggest difference is that the GOPe pushes RINOs with all their might—and their might is considerable, thanks to D.C. constantly grabbing more $ and power. With Trump, it is the electorate forcing Trump on the GOPe, while they panic and desperately seek ways to defeat him.
Whatever else he is or isn’t, Trump is anathema to the GOPe. The heartburn and consternation he is causing amongst the likes of Boehner and McConnell is monumental—and this is only the beginning.
IF he destroys the party it might be worth 8 years of his rule. Big if. On both counts.
Fair enough.
Naked and golden, right? :)
"Kidding aside, I don’t see how it’s remotely arguable. It’s simply history and logic already there to see for anyone that wants to look. You can’t get to any other conclusion without projecting things that aren’t there."
Oh, it's there, in black and white. But it will no more be acknowledged than Trump's liberalism.
And 25 feet tall! Although I think they should add a foot to our statues every time we get one right. Of course by election day that could impact the earths rotation at this rate...
Or tip Guam over.
Oh, go ahead and add as much height as you want. If the earth starts to slip off its axis, Trump will put it right.
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