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What’s Safer From Hackers: A PC or a Mac?
Yahoo! ^ | August 7, 2015 | Sean Captain

Posted on 08/10/2015 2:23:13 AM PDT by Leaning Right

Apple’s vaunted reputation for safety and security has taken some hits recently. Just this week came news of DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE — a bug in Apple’s OS X operating system that has allowed a malicious program to take complete control of Macs.

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When it comes to security flaws, Windows and OS X are now about tied, says Morey Haber, VP of technology at corporate security software maker BeyondTrust.

(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: hackers; mac; pc; windowspinglist
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To: rarestia
legacy support is on-disk and provided out-of-the-box. As a longtime Microsoft engineer, I can tell you that this is Microsoft's Achille's heel.

Does microsoft still parse audio and video in the kernel?

21 posted on 08/10/2015 5:09:44 AM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: mad_as_he$$

There are no Apple cult cells leaders on FreeRepublic

22 posted on 08/10/2015 5:24:11 AM PDT by BlueDragon (whatever gave you that idea?)
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To: BlueDragon
lol...sweet!
23 posted on 08/10/2015 5:27:46 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Sorry Windows, I consider a MAC not must an run of the mill PC.


24 posted on 08/10/2015 5:28:57 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Leaning Right

Linux.


25 posted on 08/10/2015 5:29:09 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Leaning Right

I will say this: ask that question to anyone who had had their computer infected by one of those nasty ransomware viruses.

I have been using a Mac since 1987 at home and a PC at work, and the Unprotected Mac has never been infected, but my PC, behind a firewall, running antivirus updated daily, has had to be scrubbed multiple times, even though I am far, FAR more cautious on the PC. I will say, I haven’t got one yet on Windows 7, so they are getting better.

This isn’t badmouthing my PC, which I have grown over the years to appreciate. It is just a statement of fact.


26 posted on 08/10/2015 5:46:03 AM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: palmer

Audio output requires a driver to interact with the hardware device which requires a DLL which is a kernel-mode operation.

Video requires output to a monitor which is also a hardware device that requires a DLL which is a kernel-mode operation.

Since Windows Vista, kernel-mode operations are protected from direct access except through API calls which must be signed. Microsoft provides out-of-the-box drivers for a large contingent of audio and video devices. If you install audio or video drivers from a third party, you are modifying the access controls to those devices through an administrative function, hence the reason you get a UAC pop-up when installing the driver software. As such, you are modifying the machine from its base install.

I’m front-ending your insinuation here, because, by nature, any operating system has to interact with hardware through a driver which involves kernel-mode application access. What’s your point?


27 posted on 08/10/2015 5:47:05 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rlmorel
I will say this: ask that question to anyone who had had their computer infected by one of those nasty ransomware viruses.

There are dozens of write-ups on how to protect yourself from a ransomware attack. Further, if you don't have backups of your personal data in the event of an attack, you're setting yourself up for failure. Ransomware is meant to attack the unprepared and the unwitting. Don't open crap you get in email, you're 90% of the way to full security.

28 posted on 08/10/2015 5:49:00 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Leaning Right
And it isn't just "security through obscurity", by the way. There are reasons for this disparity far beyond that. Which of these below might have more doors into them? These graphics below are a little dated, but still give you the general idea:

This one? (A Windows server running IIS)

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Or this one? (A Linux server running Apache)

29 posted on 08/10/2015 5:55:17 AM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: rarestia

It is true. There are lots of ways to protect yourself. Everyone in IT rolls their eyes at people who open things they shouldn’t, but I was using it as an example.

LOL, everyone is “unwitting” when something with an unexpected vector comes along that nobody has seen comes along...


30 posted on 08/10/2015 5:57:51 AM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: Leaning Right

I have the same Mac since 2011. No problems.


31 posted on 08/10/2015 6:00:39 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: rarestia

I know about driver signing and having user mode drivers (also signed) will help as well. What I am talking about is kernel mode code like win32k.sys. Also kernel driver signing does not guarantee no exploitable bugs, it just means you know who the author is. Unix and MacOS do not have parsing and rendering code in the kernel. Users tend to see a little slower performance on the same hardware. But that is for a good reason: user oriented code should all be run in user land not in the kernel.


32 posted on 08/10/2015 6:03:40 AM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: palmer

Fair enough. But Apple has the unique position of being able to write their code specifically to their hardware since they manage both. Microsoft has the distinction of being platform agnostic for the most part, and that’s changing; but that’s the cost of being the largest OS developer in the world.


33 posted on 08/10/2015 6:12:22 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Leaning Right

By the way, those are diagrams of system calls...


34 posted on 08/10/2015 6:13:10 AM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: Leaning Right

I thought BSD was the must secure Operating System.


35 posted on 08/10/2015 6:49:57 AM PDT by dila813
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To: bmwcyle

You are correct, a mac is not a run of the mill PC...it is 3 or 4 times the price! Price does not make it better, by the way.


36 posted on 08/10/2015 7:29:46 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

The MAC O/S is more secure. Better is weighing all factors. I still use Windows but I build my own machines.


37 posted on 08/10/2015 7:31:55 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle

A Mac is a PC ever since Apple went to OSX over a decade ago.

In fact, a Mac can run Windows 10 natively...because it is a PC.


38 posted on 08/10/2015 8:12:35 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I have never gotten a virus on my windows machine...been running them since winNT. At least not one that I ever observed/found.

My mom on the other hand trusts everything she clicks on and even with AV installed she can manage to get something bad. That’s the problem with windows being the largest target. Same issue is hitting Android phones...the largest target has the most people attacking you and there are not to smart PC users out there that will fall for even the most simple tricks.

In cases like this I have to admit security be obscurity does work. If my mom was running a custom OS that I created even if it had a ton of security holes in it...she would be relatively safe because the malware and virus out there wouldn’t work on her machine. But if someone targeted her directly she’d be in trouble.


39 posted on 08/10/2015 8:18:44 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Leaning Right
What’s Safer From Hackers: A PC or a Mac?
Popcorn anyone? — PING!


Apple OS X v. Microsoft Windows
Ping!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

40 posted on 08/10/2015 10:50:08 AM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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