Posted on 04/22/2015 7:22:46 AM PDT by knarf
Here In Commiefornia we have a wonderful website. http://transparentcalifornia.com. Check it out it shows what public employees make pay+benefits+pensions.Make sure you have taken your blood pressure pills first.
remember ... we are in the trouble we're in because voters din't vote or didn't vote wisely
Another beef I have (with my own school) is the fact we will graduate over a hundred kids, almost all voting age, but I'm willing to bet none know if they are democrat or republican ...... but by attrition they ARE socialists And the teachers are to blame for that
The teachers normally don’t deserve the pensions. Firstly, they can’t be fired. They get pensions for showing up, good job or bad. Secondly, in many states the pensions went up in the late 1990’s over what they were promised. So they are not getting what they were promised. They are getting far more. Thirdly, they really do a bad job. Most teachers are not qualified to teach math, computers or science. And its sad to say, but kids don’t listen to older teachers. The best teacher has 5 to 15 years experience. After that the teachers start to lose their ability to communicate to kids in a way the kids accept.
Think of it this way. You go to college and take the easiest major in the worst colleges. You get a job and never get promoted for thirty years. You can never be fired and you work 180 days a year. In many states you don’t have to pay SSN you get a raise every year, and you can retire in your 50’s. Why do we owe these people so much? Its a scam.
Teachers would be induced to teach or the school closes ... period
No pensions, no unions, no benefits at all for government
employees. Base all pay on the average of the private sector
and let them set up their own insurance and retirement.
Insurance, union dues, retirements for government employees
shouldn’t be the burden of the taxpayer.
“Median salaries for elementary teachers were $53,400 in 2012, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Using “Education Next’s” estimate that benefits added 32 percent more to salaries, this amount equaled $17,088, for a combined salary and benefits of $70,488.”
http://everydaylife.globalpost.com/average-teachers-salary-plus-benefits-30171.html
Just pay them the $70,488 and let them deal with the rest
themselves.
Have you given any thought to how teacher retirements compare to local and state employees?
I appreciate where you’re coming from, but they issue then becomes how does a community fund it’s schools?
Do they charge tuition like a private, and what about those who can’t afford to pay the whole nut for their kids?
...I don’t have the right answer and maybe the best place to start is to decertify the teacher’s unions and have the local school board set the local policy for teachers salary and pensions rather than have them contribute to a state run system.
Unless you change most state constitutions to eliminate the requirement of compulsory education, all of this is tilting at windmills
Let the government teachers do a good enough job that they actually pay their own pensions ... that's the issue I posed to begin with
Eventually, the fund (should? would? .. might?) get big enough to fund the school
Agreed. And why not simply make it a pyramid scheme for teachers, where the younger teachers pay for the retirement of the older teachers. Remove the taxpayer from the scheme entirely.
Eliminate government mandated compulsory schooling.
Make primary education a local decision. No state or fed overburden.
Get the government, from the feds to the states, out of the education/indoctrination business.
Divest ALL public school employees; they will no longer be considered public employees.
Phase out pension plans for all school employees, and go to 401k type programs, just like all of the other industries that have lost their pension plans.
The curriculum will be established by the parents, and applied by the local school district.
Funding for schools should be done at the local level, by the parents of children attending school, and the parents have the final say.
Government enforced compulsory education is one of the ideas that the US ever came up with. The potential for greed, manipulation, fraud, corruption, and subversion/indoctrination are just too great to let anyone in government be anywhere near young minds.
I guess I am not understanding why, if you correctly identify the teachers’ unions as the cause of the problem, do you think the taxpayers should foot the bill?
The teachers pilfered the public finances to enrich themselves, now we let them rob us again to make sure they get full enjoyment of their ill-gotten gains?
Teacher’s pensions are simple to solve:
The kids get a free education on the front end (if they go to public school), but they should contribute to their teachers’ pensions on the back end.
In other words, the quality of any individual teacher’s pension will depend on the quality of earnings achieved by her former students. 30 years of teaching 4 classes each day with 25 kids in a class means there should be about 3,000 potential contributors to her pension.
Nothing wrong with former students paying a few bucks per teacher for every year of education they received for free.
And hey, if the kids are unemployable, well, the taxpayer may have paid an (undeserved) salary in the past but at least they aren’t stuck funding the golden years of a social parasite who contributed little beyond babysitting (no pensions in the babysitting field as far as I’m aware...).
No government workers pay taxes.
That is all.
In Los Angeles they get an average of $75,000
The union has agreed to a 10.36% increase! Gee only 10%
50% of the students drop out. The others are barely literate.
The union gets angry when they have to pay anything for medical like the rest of us.
They get a nice fat pension with the rest of us paying it.
This is about Illinois.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2013/2/teacher-pensions-sweeter-than-they-would-like-you-to-think
I LIKE the input .... thanx
Why should government workers (teachers or otherwise) get a pension at all?
Very few non government workers get them. Let them get an IRA like everyone else...
Teachers would be induced to teach if they could be fired for not doing their job. Your plan is just going to have teachers move to affluent school districts. Affluent school districts don’t have better teachers. They have better students.
Kids are not all equal. Some prosper regardless of education. Between their smarts, their personalities and their parents, many of these kids do well and schools are just lucky to have them.
Schools don’t make the kids. The kids make the schools. Send a kid to a school where all the other kids parents went to college. And you will see that the other kids expect to go to college. Then your kid will expect to go to college. If all the other kids go to good colleges then your kid will expect to go to a good college.
Some school systems do a good job at supporting the top kids. Some do a good job at supporting the middle kids. And some do a good job at supporting the bottom kids. And of course there are the schools that don’t support anyone. But the best indicator of a kids future are his friends and parents, not his school. Schools know this. They won’t say it directly. They like to point out that their kids achieved great things. But that is just marketing for the school system rather than fact.
I think that what would improve the schools is that people who get into teaching do it for the right reasons.
Right now, the schools of “education” turn out dumb-ass bubble heads. Any self respecting type-A personality is filtered out of the education gig, because they simply can’t stand the mind-numbing coursework of abject leftist gibberish that is an education in “education”. They simply do not possess the pedantic skills to be successful as teachers, nor are they taught good pedantic techniques. They are taught leftist garbage.
If you really want to reform education, it begins in the colleges who turn out these incapable nitwits. It also begins at the local school boards who offer positions to these nincompoops. A degree in education does not make them a teacher.
Start isolating some of these schools. Refuse to hire their graduates. Let them know that you will not consider their graduates for any position. You know which colleges have good programs, and which are the party schools. If you don’t, you’re going to need to investigate schools to find out which have good programs and which don’t.
Most of the public schools now are populated with the products of an inferior education, and led by the same inferiors.
If they use the line “you don’t understand education” that is an attempt to get you to back-off and make you question yourself. Don’t fall for it. Tell them that their degrees are worthless. They are education majors, and that they may have the highest GPA’s in the college, with the lowest overall IQ. Where the Engineering and hard sciences have the lowest GPA’s and the highest overall IQ’s.
The key is to realign the filters in the colleges, make the teacher candidates pass a a minimum of Calculus I and maybe Calculus II. That will filter out the pretenders who get into teaching because the coursework is easy, it’s a cushy gig with tenure and good bennies. For those who want to teach, this ensures that they are smart enough to pass courses like those, and can learn proper pedantic skills.
Once you clean out the communist sympathizers and weenies who are incapable of teaching.
My college roommate's girlfriend (now wife shudder) was an education major. She was kind of an idiot. Then we both ended up in the same basic astronomy class together. It was so easy it even had the class number "Astronomy 123." Probably the easiest "A" I made in college. She struggled through every bit of it and barely passed. Now she teaches kids!
Think about you time in college....who was in the bars and parties on friday/saturday night?
It wasn’t the Physics/Chem/Engineering Majors it was the Education/Sociology and other soft sciences who were the bar rats.
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