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The U.S. Army Built a Handheld, Automatic Grenade Launcher
War is Boring ^ | March 16, 2015 | Joseph Trevithick

Posted on 03/17/2015 7:09:33 AM PDT by C19fan

Running around the battlefield with a rapid-firing, grenade-lobbing machine gun sounds like something Arnold Schwarzenegger would do in a movie. But in the 1960s, the U.S. Army experimented with one such weapon.

After introducing the crude but functional M-79 in the late 1950s, the ground combat branch saw fully automatic, 40-millimeter grenade launchers as the next logical step.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; grenade; weapons
The article show why I never heard of this weapon before. I have seen shows the featured the modern day Mk 19.
1 posted on 03/17/2015 7:09:33 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan
Far more damning, the experimental grenade launcher had a serious safety problem. Troops discovered that the safety switch could easily move into the “fire” position … on its own.

The M-79 had the same problem. The safety was a simple sliding shotgun type safety, very dangerous in heavy foliage and when maneuvering in rough terrain. Most units required grenadiers to keep the breech open which brought a new problem into play: how to keep the round from falling out of the breach. The M-203 addressed these issues, but was more bulky and awkward.

2 posted on 03/17/2015 7:27:04 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: C19fan
MK 19 in combat on a Stryker vehicle
3 posted on 03/17/2015 8:02:59 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: centurion316

My main problem with the M-79 “blooper” was that you had to stick your whole head and shoulders out of cover to fire it and then wait interminable seconds to see if you hit what you were aiming at. Meanwhile, everybody on earth is shooting at the dummy with his head and shoulders out of cover.

The “safety slipping” problem was nonexistent - the safety was accidentally slipped when the M-79 gunner carried it over his shoulder like a squirrel hunter.


4 posted on 03/17/2015 8:03:27 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: C19fan
The U.S. Army Built a Handheld, Automatic Grenade Launcher

Has Obama provided these to the Mexican drug cartels yet?

5 posted on 03/17/2015 8:13:19 AM PDT by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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To: Chainmail

Agree with your observations on firing positions, but not on the “non-existent” safety issue. Bamboo, wait an minute vines and any number of other flora could and did catch the safety.

I’m glad that you didn’t have any problems.


6 posted on 03/17/2015 8:18:59 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Chainmail

Agree with your observations on firing positions, but not on the “non-existent” safety issue. Bamboo, wait an minute vines and any number of other flora could and did catch the safety.

I’m glad that you didn’t have any problems.


7 posted on 03/17/2015 8:22:16 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

I’m just glad they missed me all those times I had to fire the thing. We’d have been a hundred times better served if we’d had Japanese 50mm “knee mortars”. That thing fires from the prone, is deadly accurate out to 300m, and had a one pound warhead. Supposedly it accounted for 60 percent of our casualties in the Pacific War.

My younger brother served in the army in Vietnam and while he was firing the .50 on top of his track during an ambush, his squad leader accidentally fired his M-79 upward into my brother’s hip. The force threw him out of the track and onto the road and the track just kept going. The ARVN found him unconscious by the road and evacuated him to their hospital where they successfully removed the grenade from behind sandbags.

For some unknown reason, my brother stayed with the army until his retirement. My Marines would never have gone and left him like that.


8 posted on 03/17/2015 9:03:38 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: C19fan

Wouldn’t an automatic grenade launcher be limited by the number of rounds the soldier could carry?


9 posted on 03/17/2015 9:06:51 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Uncle Sy: "Beavers are like Ninjas, they only come out at night and they're hard to find")
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To: C19fan

40 millimeter?

They must mean .40 caliber....

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Surely...


10 posted on 03/17/2015 9:11:25 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Chainmail

I had the sad duty of finding and recovering the bodies of two Marines who were killed in an ambush in Northern I Corps after my brigade replaced the 1st Marine Division. The fight was apparently confusing and difficult to sort out when it was all over.

We all like to think that we wouldn’t leave anyone, but some times things just turn ugly.


11 posted on 03/17/2015 9:16:23 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Chainmail

The American media did at least one front page story on one of those grenade removals, I wonder if it was your brother’s operation?


12 posted on 03/17/2015 10:07:24 AM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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I don’t know if his operation was covered in the press - all I know was it was a Vietnamese doctor who did the operation. My brother Gilbert is adopted and he’s part Japanese, so they seemed to mistake him as one of their own when they found him. When he woke up after the operation, he yelled “what am I doing with all these g—k’s!?”. It was at that point that they realized that he was American.

He’ll always be my favorite brother.


13 posted on 03/17/2015 11:00:22 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: centurion316

If you were that far north, you were where we had the NVA to deal with and those were massive fights. The enemy never operated in smaller units than battalions.

Thank you to you and your unit for finding them.


14 posted on 03/17/2015 11:03:21 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

Some people still think to this day that we were fighting a bunch of villagers in sandals and not a well equipped and well trained professional army. After we left, South Vietnam was overrun by 14 divisions, including armored divisions.


15 posted on 03/17/2015 11:06:09 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: C19fan

We had them in Vietnam. The M42 Duster. This was a twin barrel 40 mm mounted on a tank body. Originally meant for anti-aircraft defense it saw more use as hurling rounds at attacking Viet Cong and NVA.


16 posted on 03/17/2015 7:17:34 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (behind enemy lines)
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To: Vendome
40 millimeter?

They must mean .40 caliber....

we're talking grenades here not fire crackers.

17 posted on 03/17/2015 7:20:49 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (behind enemy lines)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
This was a twin barrel 40 mm mounted on a tank body. Originally meant for anti-aircraft defense it saw more use as hurling rounds at attacking Viet Cong and NVA.

During the Korean war the Duster and the Quad-50 traveled together and raked the Chinese hordes.

18 posted on 03/17/2015 8:08:43 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts; C19fan

The M49 Duster was a fantastic and devastating antipersonnel weapon. Two Dusters, manned by army admin troops tore into an NVA battalion-sized ambush that wiped my battery’s supply convoy at the beginning of Tet and was moving to exterminate the survivors. Those two crews were able to chase off the NVA and carry our wounded out. Always wanted to know who those crews were - they were very heroic.


19 posted on 03/19/2015 4:28:29 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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