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The index that timed the 2008 crash perfectly just slumped to a three-decade low
Business Insider ^ | 01/30/2015 | Mike Bird

Posted on 01/30/2015 7:57:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind

The Baltic Dry Index just hit a 28-year low. The index drew attention for mapping the financial crisis, going through the floor as the global economy tanked in 2008, but it just slumped to an even lower level. The index measures shipping costs for dry bulk commodities (minerals and metals like coal and iron, as well as grain and other food).

It plunged by more than 90% in just a few months in 2008 as the global crisis unrolled. Then, it was an impressive bellwether for the global situation.

Shipping costs were previously so expensive because demand was strong and enormous cargo ships can't be built overnight. As the demand disappeared, the Baltic Dry dived.

It has now dropped by more than 50% in less than three months.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: 2008crash; balticdryindex; depression; stockmarket; uscrisis
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1 posted on 01/30/2015 7:57:57 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

idled ships, cheaper fuel... a situation like this could presage a big economic problem. The devil is in the details.


2 posted on 01/30/2015 8:01:44 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind

anyhow the economy doesn’t look so much now to be swooning as to be slowly suffocating.


3 posted on 01/30/2015 8:03:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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anyhow the economy doesn’t look so much now to be swooning as to be slowly suffocating.

Socialism will do that. Heavy-handed government regulation will do that.

4 posted on 01/30/2015 8:05:27 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: HiTech RedNeck

iron ore and copper, too

China is going quiet. But their internal debts are too large to be able to survive quiescence.


5 posted on 01/30/2015 8:05:48 AM PST by babble-on
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To: HiTech RedNeck

iron ore and copper, too

China is going quiet. But their internal debts are too large to be able to survive quiescence.


6 posted on 01/30/2015 8:05:48 AM PST by babble-on
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To: NorthMountain

Yes, yes they will.

I bitterly cling to a theological explanation here. As other things substitute for God in people’s lives, blessings diminish.


7 posted on 01/30/2015 8:08:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: babble-on

Nobody’s asking the Chinese tiger to roar. That’s why it is quiet.


8 posted on 01/30/2015 8:10:35 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind

World Depression. They can not hide it much longer.


9 posted on 01/30/2015 8:10:43 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: CPT Clay

We got the Socialist Earth Blues.


10 posted on 01/30/2015 8:11:40 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Read the link from 2009 embedded in the article. It puts the BDI is a more proper perspective, IMO.

predicting ship supply and commodities demand has a pretty high margin of error, at the same time remembering how sensitive the BDI is to small mismatches due to the inelastic nature of its underlying supply and demand, and you quickly realize that predicting the BDI is a fool's game and also that it is not a reliable forward indicator given that it is a spot rate index in a market where both sides are basically forced to close a deal due to high fixed costs. The BDI is measure of supply/demand mismatch at the moment, and can change drastically on a dime. Its little else beyond this.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cost-of-global-shipping-is-a-lousy-economic-indicator-2009-5#ixzz3QJJqeXpc

11 posted on 01/30/2015 8:13:19 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

The article didn’t mention all of the new ships that came available earlier that had been sparked by high shipping rates even earlier.


12 posted on 01/30/2015 8:15:20 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Socialism is a form of idolatry ... The Almighty Government replaces THE LORD as “god” in peoples’ minds. It becomes the source of all good, the arbiter of truth, the distributor of blessings.

In fairness, “Capitalism” can become a form of idolatry, as well. People can place just about anything in a temple and worship it ... to their detriment.


13 posted on 01/30/2015 8:15:59 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: SeekAndFind

Who needs stuff? Just buy apps and consume streaming entertainment.


14 posted on 01/30/2015 8:16:17 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I find the current Financial markets are akin to Industrial Farming. There are many making big profits but the tools they are using to do so are literally destroying the foundation of the system.

The automated systems used to trade in the financial markets allow some to manipulate prices and pull out huge sums of money in the gaps before the smaller investors get a chance to even make a trade. And thus the market is not based on a broad trading market but instead based on how an elite few have gamed that market. Of course this element has always been around with insider trading and such BUT now the speed and which this system gaming works makes the whole system volatile to the point that you can get a flash crash and literally nobody really knows why it happened and it panics everyone and then the sell orders flourish for no reason except an algorithm gave a positive indicator to sell and it raced through the system and expanded exponentially.

I fear this system flaw may be what finally takes the dollar down. And there is no one in the whole damn circus who knows how to make it stop.

15 posted on 01/30/2015 8:16:26 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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"Who needs stuff? Just buy apps and consume streaming entertainment."

Well you must buy the new iPhone every two years so you can be the hippest of the hipsters don't ya know...

16 posted on 01/30/2015 8:17:43 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

True, it can jerk around wildly on little provocation.

There’s always the people factor, which might have added to a panic atmosphere in 2008. Metaphorically, it doesn’t matter that the earth isn’t warming if people are convinced that it is; they will dedicate great resources to meeting the “threat.”


17 posted on 01/30/2015 8:17:57 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: NorthMountain

Yup, it does just that. It is a sad misdirection of the faith capability that God built into humanity.


18 posted on 01/30/2015 8:19:09 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There have been many economic/market events over the years, both good and bad.

What’s this index’s track record in predicting those?


19 posted on 01/30/2015 8:26:49 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I believe this is a warning that significant reforms are needed for REAL economic recovery. We need a combination of streamlined regulations and a much more business-friendly taxation system to get the world's economy growing again.

Indeed, the revelations about IRS abuse has opened a LOT of eyes in Washington, DC, and we may be on the verge of the biggest reforms in Federal tax laws since the passage of the 16th Amendment itself.

20 posted on 01/30/2015 8:27:42 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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