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How BIG is The Executive? Cabinet Growth as a small example. [Vanity]
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Posted on 11/20/2014 3:27:27 PM PST by SES1066

With President Obama expanding on his power, an amateur historian like myself looks to past growth of the Executive Branch and in this post looking at the number of Cabinet (Departmental) positions and their growth.

How many can give the number of these positions currently and how that has changed? It is an interesting progression and given my preference for minimalist governance, frightening!


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: cabinet; executive; president
George Washington started it with 5 Departments (1789); State, Treasury, War, Justice (Attorney General) and Postmaster General (Order of Precedence).

John Adams added (1798) #6 Dept. of the Navy.

Zachary Taylor added (1849) #7 Interior.

Grover Cleveland added (1889) #8 Agriculture.

Theodore Roosevelt added (1903) #9 Commerce & Labor.

Woodrow Wilson separated the above into exclusive Departments (1913) #10.

Harry Truman REDUCED (kinda) War & Navy into (1947) #9 Defense.

Dwight Eisenhower added (1953) #10 Health, Education & Welfare.

Lyndon B Johnson added (1965) #11 Housing & Urban Development (HUD).

" added (1966) #12 Transportation.

Richard Nixon REDUCED (1971) #11 Postmaster General (USPS).

Jimmy Carter added (1977) #12 Energy.

" added (1979) #13 Education out of HEW->HHS.

George H W Bush added (1989) #14 Veterans Affairs.

George W Bush added (2003) #15 Homeland Security.

From 5 to 15, yes we have grown as a country in size, population and (perhaps) complexity but do you think all of these people are necessary? FYI: It has been reported that President Obama has held only 4 meetings of the full Cabinet!?

1 posted on 11/20/2014 3:27:27 PM PST by SES1066
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To: SES1066

How about the useless, wasteful, and dangerous $1,000,000,000,000 Dept of HHS? Good place to start. Nuke it.


2 posted on 11/20/2014 3:29:20 PM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: SES1066

Current presidential cabinet.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/cabinet

I thought the speaker of the house was somewhere in the line of succession to the Presidency


3 posted on 11/20/2014 3:30:09 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: cripplecreek

VP, then Speaker of the House isn’t it?


4 posted on 11/20/2014 3:36:56 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: PubliusMM

That’s what I thought.


5 posted on 11/20/2014 3:38:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: SES1066

Is there any bigger strap hanger than Energy?

They were created to ensure energy independence and it took actual private initiative to move towards it in spite of the government.

That should be the first dissolved cabinet.


6 posted on 11/20/2014 3:41:50 PM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: cripplecreek

The White House.gov page lists members of the Presidents administration. The Speaker of The House of Representatives is not a part of the Presidents administration.


7 posted on 11/20/2014 3:44:40 PM PST by 1raider1
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To: SES1066
George H W Bush added (1989) #14 Veterans Affairs.

Reagan signed the bill. It just didn't take effect until after he'd left office.

Nixon had a plan in the 1970s to reduce seven cabinet departments and a variety of agencies into four departments (Natural Resources, Human Resources, Economic Affairs, and Community Development).

We can certainly speculate about whether it would have been a good idea or not -- whether one cabinet member could deal with all the responsibilities involved in each megadepartment -- but Nixon's plan didn't go anywhere. Special interests (labor, agriculture, commerce) preferred having departments all to themselves.

By way of comparison, the British cabinet is considerably larger, and includes officials with various status. For example, they can have "ministers without portfolio" -- members of parliament from the ruling party who didn't have any specific responsibilities for administration but met with the cabinet because it was thought important to have them in the room.

We also have officials like the UN ambassador, US trade representative, White House chief of staff, and heads of the EPA, SBA, OMB, etc. who have cabinet level rank but who aren't administering fully-fledged departments. It's said that regular cabinet meetings are a thing of the past. The president and White House staff take care of details and meet one-on-one with the department heads.

8 posted on 11/20/2014 3:44:46 PM PST by x (Phew. you had me worried there for a moment. I thought you were going to change everything on me.)
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To: PubliusMM

VP, then Speaker of the House, the President Pro Tem of the Senate, then Cabinet Officers in the order listed. (Incidentally, after the Vice President, the order of succession is not set in the Constitution, but can be changed by Congress. [U.S. Constitution, Article II, section 1, clause 6]).


9 posted on 11/20/2014 3:45:04 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: SES1066

We now have, “Czars” silly.


10 posted on 11/20/2014 3:57:43 PM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: Nachum

Ping


11 posted on 11/20/2014 4:45:22 PM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism cannot survive without conservatives to fund it.)
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12 posted on 11/20/2014 5:45:51 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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