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vanity | 11-19-14 | self

Posted on 11/19/2014 3:14:13 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic

Would somebody please explain to me why all these "important" votes in the Senate now need 60 votes to pass? I know that it is some kind of "rule" that Harry Reid instituted, but when does it kick in, and what is the reasoning behind it?


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1 posted on 11/19/2014 3:14:13 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
  Obama will veto everything and it takes 60 votes to override a veto
2 posted on 11/19/2014 3:17:16 AM PST by Maurice Tift (Never wear anything that panics the cat. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Exactly what I was wondering on the drive home last night.


3 posted on 11/19/2014 3:17:50 AM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate)
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To: Maurice Tift

They are saying that it did not pass.


4 posted on 11/19/2014 3:19:07 AM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

You always needed 60 votes to get cloture in the Senate.
Once the bill is on the floor a simple majority can pass it.


5 posted on 11/19/2014 3:19:42 AM PST by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Kozak

I googled it and more than one source indicates that the 60 votes were needed to veto-proof it.


6 posted on 11/19/2014 3:29:07 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Kozak

“You always needed 60 votes to get cloture in the Senate.”

Nope used to be 67 votes. They changed it to 60 the year the Democrats got 61 Senators....sigh


7 posted on 11/19/2014 3:31:59 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: JoeDetweiler

It does still take 67 votes in the senate to override a veto.


8 posted on 11/19/2014 3:35:49 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: JoeDetweiler; Gaffer

Sorry, My post #8 was supposed to be to Gaffer.


9 posted on 11/19/2014 3:38:07 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Gaffer

No...I believe you still need a two thirds vote in BOTH the House and Senate to override a veto. That would be 67 votes in the Senate and 290 (I think) in the House.


10 posted on 11/19/2014 3:39:16 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: JoeDetweiler

Yes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/us/politics/keystone-xl-pipeline.html?_r=0


11 posted on 11/19/2014 3:40:10 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: WayneS

That’s what I thought too, actually. I was mainly commenting on news sources out there and there are more than one saying veto-proofing. It seems the news media really isn’t doing its job in being concise about the mechanics of the vote.

I tend to think it was a cloture vote to keep it off the floor vote. IIRC the cloture vote rules were changed by Reid with respect to filibustering and the like, however.


12 posted on 11/19/2014 3:42:05 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The term is cloture. What it means is there are not enough votes to filibuster the bill. Looked at another way there is enough support for the bill in the senate to bring the bill to the floor for debate and vote. This is a senate rule intended to provide the minority a means to stop legislation they strongly disagree with from getting to the floor. It has nothing to do with veto override, though it could be considered an indication of voting strength.


13 posted on 11/19/2014 3:53:50 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I know that it is some kind of "rule" that Harry Reid instituted

Not really. Reid has held up popular bills that actually have more than 60 potential votes. He has done the exact opposite by nuking the filibuster for judges. Used to need 60 to advance a judgeship to a full vote, he made it 50.

14 posted on 11/19/2014 3:57:26 AM PST by palmer (Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing. Or do nothing. We want Obamanet.)
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To: Kozak
You always needed 60 votes to get cloture in the Senate.

First we need 60 functioning brains in the senate.

15 posted on 11/19/2014 4:07:30 AM PST by mabarker1 (congress, The Opposite of Progress.)
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To: Maurice Tift

It takes 2/3 to override a veto. That’s 66. It takes 60 votes to stop a filibuster and proceed to a vote on the measure.


16 posted on 11/19/2014 4:32:09 AM PST by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Excellence

66 s/b 67. Bloomers!


17 posted on 11/19/2014 4:34:16 AM PST by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Gaffer
"the cloture vote rules were changed by Reid"

Reid changed the cloture vote rules to start floor voting on certain presidential appointments. I believe it was appointments to federal judge positions. Cloture still requires 60 votes for all bills, and Supreme Court justices.

18 posted on 11/19/2014 4:36:52 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Reid’s Rules of Order for the Senate have given the Senate majority leader virtual dictatorial power over the Senate. Change of the 2/3rds rule to 3/5ths invoking cloture or consent to Judicial/Cabinet nominations was pre-Reid. Reid further eroded minority input by changing consent to 1/2 plus one of Senators present for lower level nominations, often referenced as “the nuclear option”.

Veto overrides yet remain at the 2/3rds requirement. However, neither consent nor veto can be achieved until cloture stops debate. SCOTUS ruled against BHO’s direct recess appointments despite Senate declared sessions to the contrary.


19 posted on 11/19/2014 5:26:53 AM PST by Radtechtravel
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The standing rules of the Senate permit unlimited debate. Any Senator may continue talking as long as he wishes, and the Senate will not vote until everyone is done, and consents to a vote, or invokes cloture, which requires 60 votes, to close debate despite the objections of a minority.

There are terminological subtleties at work here. When a Republican minority insists on extended debate and refuses to permit a vote, it is "filibustering" and "obstructionist." When a democrat minority refuses to permit a vote, the press merely asserts that it takes 60 votes to pass a bill.

20 posted on 11/19/2014 6:04:39 AM PST by sphinx
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