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Civil War hero who died at Gettysburg to be awarded Medal Civil-War-officer-receive-Medal-Honor
Mail Online ^ | 27 Aug 2014 | OLLIE GILLMAN FOR MAILONLINE

Posted on 08/27/2014 7:10:27 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

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To: tanknetter

Chamberlain was awarded the Medal of Honor for Gettysburg in 1893, 30 years after the battle and long after his political career was over as well. His was well deserved.


21 posted on 08/27/2014 10:02:32 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

Oh, definitely agree on that about Chamberlain. I tend to agree with assessments that the modern emphasis of his role on Little Round Top (driven by Killer Angels/Gettyburg) overshadows, a little too much, what guys like Strong Vincent and the other Regiments on his right were doing, but he’s still one of my heroes.

If only most of his writings (Bayonettes Forward and Passing of the Armies) were readable ...

(I will state that his letters trashing Oates over the intended placement of the 15 Alabama monument behind the 20th Maine’s lines were works of art in telling someone to go f*ck themselves in the most polite and eloquent - if wordy - manner possible.)


22 posted on 08/27/2014 10:18:43 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: DUMBGRUNT
DUMBGRUNT: "Skipped the usual Wiki source; my son the history teacher says ‘a Wiki source is an automatic F’."

Only because it's just to d*rn easy to find basic data there, so people don't get into endless arguments over disputed "facts".
And what's the fun of that?
Why not instead keep everybody ignorant, or guessing, or searching through highly partisan sites for conflicting data?

Then the real experts, those history professors, can step in and pronounce judgment on which interpretations they consider "correct".
Mustn't let the peasants get too smart, you know... ;-)

< /sarc >

23 posted on 08/27/2014 11:18:10 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

You can use Wiki to find sources, but Wiki is not a source.

Pretty simple


24 posted on 08/27/2014 11:19:36 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tanknetter

And don’t forget the fights in the Peach Orchard, the wheatfield, and Devil’s Den that allowed time to get things organized on Little Round Top.


25 posted on 08/27/2014 11:20:54 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Bringbackthedraft; Vermont Lt; DUMBGRUNT
Your mention of Confederate Major John Pelham piqued my interest.
He is not listed on your site for Confederate Medals of Honor, but it seems that otherwise he's been showered with honors in several states.

Pelham died gallantly, in J.E.B. Stuart's command, at Kelly's Ford near Culpepper, Virginia on March 17, 1863 3-1/2 months before Gettysburg.
Later "in 1863, Stuart named his third child Virginia Pelham, in honor of the cannoneer he had admired."


26 posted on 08/27/2014 11:37:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: centurion316

All of which happened because Dan Sickles, still ticked off about what happened to him at Chancellorsville (ordered to pull back from Hazel Grove into trenchworks, with the Hazel Grove high ground being occupied by Confederate artillery. Which proceded to shell him), moved his Corps forward against Meade’s orders.

Sickles of course being an idiot that made the near collapse of the Union Left Flank possible. Lee didn’t have good intel on the Union lines, thought Emmittsburg pike was closer to, and ran parallel to, Cemetery Ridge. And that Union forces were deployed more forward than they were.

Had Sickles stayed put, Longstreet would have marched forward just North of Little Round Top, rotated Left anchoring his Left flank on Emmittsberg Pike and continued forward to the North in an attempt to roll up the Union flank.

Which would have actually been on his RIGHT, backing to the low hills North of Little Round Top.

Longstreet would have been enfiladed by both Sickles and Hancock’s Corps. Might have been game over for Lee at that point, given the losses the Union ultimately took trying to defend Sickles’ salient.


27 posted on 08/27/2014 11:47:31 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: afsnco
afsnco: "Too bad it was for Lincoln, who pretty much single-handedly created our behemoth federal government and quashed states’ rights, in violation of the Constitution he swore to uphold and defend.
Reasonably, if a state votes to join the union, it can also vote to secede from it.
Otherwise, they’re enslaved."

Total complete rubbish.
First, Lincoln's government after the war was basically the same size as before it -- consuming circa 2.5% of GDP.

Second, it's growth to today's behemoth size (over 20% of GDP) only began 50 years later, in 1914 cheered on by Southern Democrats who enthusiastically supported the 16th and 17th Amendments providing centralized power & money for unlimited Big Government growth, Southerners who unanimously voted for "Progressive" Southern Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, and then the most "progressive" of all: Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Third, on the Constitutional issue of secession: no state has entered the Union without expressed or implied Congressional approval, and so no state can leave without the same approval.
See US Supreme Court ruling in Texas v. White (1868).

28 posted on 08/27/2014 11:54:41 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Fourth, Lincoln never got to finish. I will always think that the perpetually open wound of racism that infests us to this day, would have been much further along in healing, if it weren’t for that guy who shot him. Lincoln had plans for healing the nations wounds.


29 posted on 08/27/2014 12:07:41 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Started out with Burgundy but soon hit the harder stuff....)
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> Cushing commanded Battery A, 4th U.S. Artillery at Gettysburg, and was hailed by contemporaries as heroic in his actions on the third day of the battle. He was wounded three times. First, a shell fragment went straight through his shoulder. He was then grievously wounded by a shell fragment which tore into his abdomen and groin. This wound exposed Cushing’s intestines, which he held in place with his hand as he continued to command his battery. After these injuries a higher-ranking officer said, “Cushing, go to the rear.” Cushing, due to the limited number of men left, refused to fall back. The severity of his wounds left him unable to yell his orders above the sounds of battle. Thus, he was held aloft by his 1st Sergeant Frederick Füger, who faithfully passed on Cushing’s commands. Cushing was killed when a bullet entered his mouth and exited through the back of his skull. He died on the field at the height of the assault. Cushing’s headstone at West Point His body was returned to his family and then interred in the West Point Cemetery in Section 26, Row A, Grave 7. His headstone bears, at the behest of his mother, the inscription “Faithful unto Death.” Cushing was posthumously cited for gallantry with a brevet promotion to lieutenant colonel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alonzo_Cushing

wow, he disobeyed a direct order, he should have been posthumously court-martialed! /s


30 posted on 09/18/2014 6:38:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

:’)


31 posted on 09/18/2014 6:40:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Why not?


32 posted on 09/20/2014 5:09:08 AM PDT by Valin (I'm not completely worthless. I can be used as a bad example.)
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To: Valin

It is my opinion, there many great and valorous acts known only to God.
That said; what new information brought the change of status for Lt Cushing ?

For this administration, ‘honor’ is just another word. Awards are just another opportunity to push a message. Everything they do is suspect.

As we move into the modern era survivability is much improved; more memories, more honors granted or not?

Civil War (Union)
1861–1865 1522 MOH
Too many footnotes to list.
U.S. troops engaged: 2,213,363
Battle deaths: 140,414

World War II
1939–1945 464 MOH
U.S. troops engaged: 16,112,566
American casualties: 291,557

Korean War
1950–1953 137 MOH
U.S. troops engaged: 5,720,000
American battle deaths: 33,741

Vietnam War
1955–1975 247MOH
U.S. troops engaged: 8,744,000
American battle deaths: 47,410


33 posted on 09/20/2014 9:34:31 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: tanknetter
Sickles was about as eccentric as one can get. Prior to the war, he became the first American to successfully employ a temporary insanity defense for the killing of Francis Scott Key's son, who Sickles had found screwing around with his (Sickles') wife.
34 posted on 09/20/2014 9:46:18 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Sickles was about as eccentric as one can get. Prior to the war, he became the first American to successfully employ a temporary insanity defense for the killing of Francis Scott Key's son, who Sickles had found screwing around with his (Sickles') wife.

Yeah, and reading of the actual history says that it really was 1st degree, premeditated murder, in every sense of the word.

Keys and Sickle's wife had prearranged signals for her to head over to his place. Sickles invited some friends over and was, coincidentally, sitting in the front parlor of their Lafayette Square house when Keys went by and threw the signal.

Sickles freaked out, said something along the lines of "there's the bastard who's defiled my marital bed, he's here for my wife!" (or close enough to that, not verbatum), grabbed several revolvers (and one Derringer) that, of course, just happened to be near by and went charging out after Keys. Who he gunned down (at least one of the handguns misfired, iirc - lucky for him he had more than one) by a tree along a section of wrought iron fence.

Here's the REAL kicker. Long after the war is over, Sickles is back in Congress and also running the battlefield and monuments commission (can't remember the exact name). Vets start asking for a barrier to separate the National/Military cemetery at Gettysburg from the civilian one next door. Sickles, given his high position, has a really neat idea and manages to get the old wrought iron fence from Lafayette Park, the very same one he gunned Keys down against decades earlier, moved up to Gettysburg.

Where it stands today ...
35 posted on 09/20/2014 11:49:20 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Yep - I went to Gettysburg College. I know that length of fence well. Sickles was a Tammany Hall prick of the highest order, and while he may not have been the most tactically competent general, one has to concede that words like, “brazen,” and, “ballsy,” were crafted for people like him.


36 posted on 09/20/2014 11:54:29 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: tanknetter
In fact, I go back to PA for the holidays each year, and usually take a trip to G-burg to have lunch with one of my old profs that I still keep in touch with, then spend the day milling about the battlefield. For some reason, last winter, I snapped a picture of that fence between the cemeteries...


37 posted on 09/20/2014 12:01:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Yep - I went to Gettysburg College. I know that length of fence well. Sickles was a Tammany Hall prick of the highest order, and while he may not have been the most tactically competent general, one has to concede that words like, “brazen,” and, “ballsy,” were crafted for people like him.

I'll tell you, the Park rangers despise the guy. I mean, really, really hate him.

Back when I was a little bit freer of weekend kids activities, I'd get time on a Saturday or Sunday and head up from NoVA for one or more of the Ranger walks.

There was one Ranger, retired USMC Gunny, who did the Peach Orchard/Sickles Salient walk. The Ranger went into a LOT of detail about how hard the Park and the Rangers were working to get the park and the narrative restored to what actually happened, because as head of the battlefield/monuments commission Sickles had pretty much rewritten the story and had the Battlefield changed to make it seem like he was THE hero who saved the day. The Ranger practically gloated about how Sickle's bust, intended for the Excelsior monument, had never been put in place ... and never would be.

Of course Sickles messing with the battlefield was all just a crime against history. What Sickles did to Meade was just ... criminal.
38 posted on 09/20/2014 12:13:50 PM PDT by tanknetter
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