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Open Questions: How long before the IS (ISIS) Caliphate is recognized as a legitimate government?
Freerepublic ^ | 8/9'2014 | Me

Posted on 08/09/2014 10:47:32 AM PDT by Dallas59

How long before the IS (ISIS) Caliphate is recognized as a legitimate government? It took ten years or so for negotiations to start with the Taliban. Hamas is a terror group but the US and Israel "negotiates" with them all the time.
When will the Muslims of the world just go ahead and join the group (if you can't beat em, join em)? How long before the left begins protests against bombing or using any other military action against IS?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; History; Society
KEYWORDS: caliphate; iraq; is; isis; kurdistan; muslimworld; negotiation; terrorist; yazidi; yazidis
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1 posted on 08/09/2014 10:47:32 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

It will demand and get a permanent place on the security council — wait and see.


2 posted on 08/09/2014 10:49:57 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Dallas59

Going to be a new member of the Arab League?


3 posted on 08/09/2014 10:52:45 AM PDT by joelt
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To: Dallas59

If they are Sunnis, not long.


4 posted on 08/09/2014 10:55:33 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: 353FMG

Something like it will happen. Nazi Germany arose the same way. People outside knew what was going on...until it was too late.


5 posted on 08/09/2014 10:55:37 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

Problem here.

ISIS claims to be the new caliphate. Therefore, by definition, it proclaims all other Muslim states to be illegitimate and declares eternal war against them. As well as, obviously, all non-Muslim states.

I don’t see any incentive for a Muslim strongman anywhere else to submit to ISIS.


6 posted on 08/09/2014 10:57:32 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Dallas59

True, but OTOH the Nazis never proclaimed themselves to be the sole legitimate state on earth, and that they were at eternal war with every other state until it submitted.

The commies did that, but not the Nazis.


7 posted on 08/09/2014 10:59:08 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Dallas59

Seems like only yesterday ISIS was part of Hillary’s enlightened Arab Spring celebration. Once they kill all their religious, political and ideological enemies, they will institute free and open elections, from which Western values will magically appear.


8 posted on 08/09/2014 11:00:45 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Dallas59

I expect Obama to give it priority official recognition.


9 posted on 08/09/2014 11:00:58 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama stands for the corruption of America in all aspects.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Unless the Muslims of those states see IS as stronger and decide to go “arab spring” on their governments. I see the Muslim mind set as if you shout “Allah Akbar” the loudest, doesn’t mater who you kill while doing it, your the best.


10 posted on 08/09/2014 11:02:05 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Sherman Logan

But their goal was domination.


11 posted on 08/09/2014 11:03:01 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

Your last question, “ How long before the left begins protests against bombing or using any other military action against IS?”, is easy to answer. The day a Republican president is inaugurated.


12 posted on 08/09/2014 11:14:12 AM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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To: Dallas59

Agreed. But the Nazis never specifically stated that they would continue to fight till they’d overthrown every other government.

In fact, they repeatedly tried to make peace with UK, which Hitler had no desire at all to fight. In the Nazis’ prewar fantasies, Germany would dominate and exploit Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. UK would control the subhumans in the rest of the world. Left unspoken is whether these two imperialisms would eventually clash.

The commies did, and it’s a foundational principle of Islam.


13 posted on 08/09/2014 11:16:31 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Dallas59

Probably shortly after taking Baghdad or Damascus.


14 posted on 08/09/2014 11:20:07 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Dallas59

Left unspoken is that this is more or less exactly what jihad meant in the past, for about 1400 years.

The footloose, idealistic and psychopathic young men of Islam attacking everywhere on the borders of Islam. The peoples of India, southern and eastern Europe, Spain, etc. all went through this. Some of them eventually kicked the Muslims out, others were assimilated.


15 posted on 08/09/2014 11:24:56 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Dallas59

Never gonna happen.

ISIS can’t get along with other Islamic terrorists. They are Sunni arabs so Iran has no use for them. Even al Qaeda rejects them. They aren’t capable of organizing anything more than murder, kidnapping and extortion, the latter two being how they raise money. The people they conquer hate them.

Someone may well organize a Caliphate, but it won’t be ISIS.


16 posted on 08/09/2014 11:28:50 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Pelham

I just keep seeing parallels between the rise of Nazi Germany and this group.


17 posted on 08/09/2014 11:30:28 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

Piglousy can’t wait to tell us all about their humanitarian efforts.


18 posted on 08/09/2014 11:40:45 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Dallas59

Two years.


19 posted on 08/09/2014 11:42:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Dallas59

ISIS will definitely get UN recognition if they kill another 50,000 Christians and Yazidis


20 posted on 08/09/2014 11:50:54 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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