Posted on 07/24/2014 1:20:20 PM PDT by Morgana
I could not agree more, caww!
What’s your point?
His point is that he believes some people are more deserving of life than others. I think his point is both obvious and sick .
I see GOD thru that beautiful smile and face. May God keep her in his care. That is an Angel right there!
What a beautiful little girl!
Prayers for your cousin, and prayers and ((hugs)) for you.
Do you REALLY need to ask that question? You know better than that..........
Ever!"
Then you're ignorant, and what in the hell did you put "child" in quotations for??
My husband's aunt has Down's. Her family loved her dearly when she was being brought up, and we adore her now. Maybe the reason for those Down's parents' expressions is because they expect to come in contact with people like you.
Also, you say you're not totally pro-life. Under what circumstances do you support murder?
Too lazy and stupid to test? Most older women are perfectly aware that they do run a higher risk of having a child with Down Syndrome.
Some chose not to test, because they would not abort a child with DS. There are simple blood tests which do not pose a risk to the developing baby, but these are followed up with invasive tests, amniocentesis or CVS, that do risk miscarriage. There are false positives and false negatives. It can be a very informed decision not to test.
BTW, testing the father isn’t going to detect DS in the child. And some husbands and fathers would not abandon their wives for having a baby with DS.
You’re coming across contemptuous, ignorant, intolerant, and small-minded. Maybe you would abort any child with DS; maybe you could never find the grace to be happy with a child with DS, but you aren’t everyone.
And keep in mind that if you have a perfectly vetted, perfectly healthy baby, no one is immune to bad luck, illness, and accident, and you and yours may have to learn to cope with disability, far too late for abortion, and way too early for euthanasia.
“I’ve experienced this kind of attitude from a doctor. It’s ugly.”
Yes, I have as well. I was 37 and pregnant with my third child. All I heard is “Your elderly for childbearing” and the “Baby could have all kinds of problems”. I had amnio and they tested for over 20 different diseases. The baby was fine, but because of all the tests, I started bleeding and almost lost her.
Thanks - I actually posted that thread nine years ago, and Harvey died a few months later...69 years of age for Downs is pretty remarkable, from what we understand.
It's funny how the unconditional love of a mother is universally cherished as one of the noblest things in human existence. And then when a mother actually manifests unconditional love, she gets trashed as a moral reprobate for welcoming and loving an innocent child who is not a member of the elite: the Planned, Perfect and Privileged.
I declined to take several of the usual round of prenatal tests even though I was an "elderly primagravida" at 38, because, as I told my doc, I considera them a form of hostile surveillance. "Hostile" they are, because when defects are discovered, it almost invariably results in a fatal attack on the baby before birth. That's the intended result of an antihuman protocol.
I fired by first OB/GYN, who ried to push me into an amniocentesis. You should truly give a second thought to your thesis that hostile prenatal surveillance is morally mandated. --- What a thoroughly perverted value system.
According to your own "worst-case scenario" statistics --- mothers at age 45--- such women are still 96% certain of giving birth to children who do not have Down Syndrome.
If I had the choice of living with either a Down Syndrome child or a Down Syndrome baby-slayer, I'd choose the child. They are much more pleasant and more gracious company than their would-be exterminators.
"Past prime time" mothers are also at a much higher risk of miscarriage. That is why, not being stupid, they don't have the tests because it raises your risk even higher.
Yes, I do know about this and to answer the question, no, I did not.
I would not put my babies in more danger then they already were. All my babies were wanted and loved no matter what.
You see, that is what is wrong with your viewpoint. You have the idea that innocent humans are disposable. Like a jar that should be thrown away if it cracks.
You don't understand that the innocent should be cherished just because.
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That was my worry. It seems that the medical profession is often more concerned that a baby will have Down's than they are that it will be injured or worse. Modern medicine can be a good thing, but only if it is held to the Hippocratic Oath.
I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
my point is simple. The woman in the article is selfish and stupid and I have no sympathy for her feigned insult.
She refused genetic testing - both before and after conception - despite being told she was in a high-risk group. Her husband wasn’t offered testing either - evidenced by his surprise over the child’s physical appearance. Did she even show him the sonograms? or did she refuse them, too?
No pre-conception genetic counseling, no marriage counseling, no financial preparations, no home modifications, no therapists lined up, no psychological preparation. Completely irresponsible behavior for a 40 year old woman. Just a big fat, deal with it - to both the child and to the husband.
Do I support abortions of convenience? No. But I do support the 2% of abortions that are performed for legitimate reasons and I’m sure other pro-lifers do, too.
Do I think all Down’s Syndrome children should be ‘culled’ as a convenience? Absolutely not.
But I think both parents need to be involved in complicated pregnancies, not just one parent, because that child will be the financial and emotional responsibility of both, not just one, parent.
The woman in the article intentionally left her husband in the dark and left her doctor in the dark, to the detriment of her child. She is selfish and stupid.
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You're not a pro-lifer.
I don't know about JenB's brother, but I worked with a man who had all of the facial features associated with Down's, and a very slight speech impediment. I never discussed Down's with him, because it would have been rude. He was an optical engineer working for the second largest aerospace company in the US, and entrusted to represent the company in international contracts in Europe as well as in the US.
He owned entire apartment buildings for just some of his personal investments. He and I would laugh at you if you asked about government subsidies. He and I both paid enough in taxes to single-handedly support an entire bureaucrat's annual salary.
Everything is not always the way out looks on the surface.
“Legitimate” murder of innocents? No such thing.
No one who believes that is pro-life, regardless of what they claim.
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