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To: Jim from C-Town

my point is simple. The woman in the article is selfish and stupid and I have no sympathy for her feigned insult.

She refused genetic testing - both before and after conception - despite being told she was in a high-risk group. Her husband wasn’t offered testing either - evidenced by his surprise over the child’s physical appearance. Did she even show him the sonograms? or did she refuse them, too?

No pre-conception genetic counseling, no marriage counseling, no financial preparations, no home modifications, no therapists lined up, no psychological preparation. Completely irresponsible behavior for a 40 year old woman. Just a big fat, deal with it - to both the child and to the husband.

Do I support abortions of convenience? No. But I do support the 2% of abortions that are performed for legitimate reasons and I’m sure other pro-lifers do, too.

Do I think all Down’s Syndrome children should be ‘culled’ as a convenience? Absolutely not.

But I think both parents need to be involved in complicated pregnancies, not just one parent, because that child will be the financial and emotional responsibility of both, not just one, parent.

The woman in the article intentionally left her husband in the dark and left her doctor in the dark, to the detriment of her child. She is selfish and stupid.


56 posted on 07/24/2014 4:01:26 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum; wagglebee
Do I support abortions of convenience? No. But I do support the 2% of abortions that are performed for legitimate reasons and I’m sure other pro-lifers do, too.

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You're not a pro-lifer.

57 posted on 07/24/2014 4:06:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: blueplum

“Do I support abortions of convenience? No. But I do support the 2% of abortions that are performed for legitimate reasons and I’m sure other pro-lifers do, too.”

That’s what aborting children with disabilities is; a matter of convenience. It’s a selfish hatred of child who are less than perfect. It’s a desire to make your child rearing experience as simple as possible. Sure, you could say that you are sparing a child with disabilities pain, but that would be illogical to state. Killing someone painfully with drugs or ripping them apart piece by piece would be just as painful, or even more so, than letting them live. Your supposed “compassion” for a child by killing it to spare it pain is stupid. You cannot prevent someone’s pain by afflicting him with pain.


61 posted on 07/24/2014 4:30:39 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo (You cannot protect a child from child abuse by aborting it. Abortion *is* child abuse.)
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To: blueplum
Horseshit!

Spin all you want. A pro-life person doesn't need the tests as they are certain to give birth anyway.

The 2% are what? Rape? Incest? Of course an abortion for this is a conspiracy and in most situations the abortionist is acting as an accomplice after the fact. He is a murderer anyway, so conspiracy to rape is hardly a big deal.

My wife has had five children. The first and fifth where completely normal all over 35 three over 40. We went through all the tests on the first two. After all the worry about our second with all his problems. Yet, none where uncovered by amniocenteses. No more than an ultrasound was necessary to determine he had problems. And ultrasound is noninvasive. Spontaneous abortion (Miscarriage) is around 1 in 300.and up to 1 -100 for older women. So why bother?

Even on the twins only an ultrasound. No need to do more as we would certainly not abort. After the response our OB/GYN got from my wife and I after the termination talk for Douglas, they knew better than to bring it up.

As per pre-pregnancy genetic testing, it is useless as to whether any individual child would get Down’s syndrome. Post pregnancy testing is simply to kill the imperfect. There is no other reason for it. That is abortion for convenience straight up. No way to sugar coat it. Complete cowardice, nothing more.

BTW: You don't need any of that crap for a Down’s Syndrome child. Particularly in the first year. They are just like any other baby, completely helpless and easy to transport. Home modifications?, Lined up therapists? All that crap comes AFTER birth. Until the child comes, there is nothing to evaluate so there is no plan of action. The first time you meet any of these people is AFTER the child is born alive.

As for the difficult pregnancy. There is no more difficulty in carrying a Downs child to birth than any other. The actual pregnancy is generally uneventful. It is after the birth that things can get difficult. Not much more than an unexpected Congenital Heart Disorder and those are undiagnosed DAILY in utero.

People get hit by cars, break their necks in pools and become handicapped every day. They get cancer and some children are born after all the tests and plans only to have an undiagnosed heart disorder. Are we then free to eliminate them as they have become a net financial loss? An inconvenience to be sure.

Your point is simple. As simple as I said. You think some people are more worthy of life than others. Simple. just like your mind!

63 posted on 07/24/2014 6:30:26 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: blueplum
Do I support abortions of convenience? No. But I do support the 2% of abortions that are performed for legitimate reasons and I’m sure other pro-lifers do, too.

What exactly do you consider a "legitimate reason"?

125 posted on 07/25/2014 8:50:33 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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