Posted on 03/31/2014 10:55:40 AM PDT by ethical
Fuddy was director of health for the state, who oversees, among other things, the official records, birth records.
She’s the one that was named in a law suit brought by a Mr. vogt, last October time frame.
The suit had to do with the Obama birth cert.
Ms fuddy was not an obscure government official; she hobnobbed with high rank people such as the governor.
Several medical sources disagree with your statement and report that cardiac arrthymia is one cause of death that can not be confirmed by autopsy particularly absent any history of it.
Concerning what Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., said about his sister’s health, lack of heart trouble, calm personality you say: I'll take the medical examiner's professional opinion over what some brother thinks.
You have not seen the medical examiner’s professional opinion. Only snippets of her report which contain none of the professional opinion stuff except the one phrase, ‘cardiac arrhythmia due to hyperventilation”. And part of the medical examiner’s job, particularly when trying to assign cardiac arrhythmia as a cause of death, would be to interview people who knew the deceased to see if there was any history of heart trouble or anxiety problems. And review her medical charts.
This could actually be determined by the level of adrenaline and types and amounts of enzymes present in the body after death.
These results would need to be seen and should be released.
Five foot waves are relatively calm? Has this person every been floating in the ocean in five foot waves? They're nuts if they think it's 'calm'!
The wave quote was presented as a direct quote from the autopsy report by the medical examiner. You say the details released were not from the autopsy report. How do you know? You say you have not seen it. And the quotes were not presented as a summery but as snippets of direct quotes from the report.
You say the newspaper reports have no official bearing whatsoever. So then the cause of death as reported in the newspapers has no official bearing?
And why did the AP get a copy of the autopsy but not Orly Taitz? You say,
it's because the autopsy report is not released just on request to anybody.
According to Hawaii law they are public records available to the public. That is why it was released to the AP. And any requester would be informed by the public records officer of the cost.
As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash. You say it can be ruled accidental because:
they have found no evidence that it’s intentional. That’s what you do when don’t find intentional evidence of murder.
All I am saying is that if the medical examiner would wait for lab results before making a determination of ‘death by accident” you have to acknowledge that a piece of the necessary information is still out there: the cause of the crash.
1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?
It is impossible for me to say, primarily because the "little we've seen of it" is not enough to base an opinion on one way or the other. I'd have to see the actual autopsy report, not some summary a report jibed up.
Of course we would all like to see a copy of the actual report. But the descriptions I included of the report are represented as direct quotes taken from the autopsy report and it does not sound like any autopsy report I have read .
2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?
Depends on the chemicals and enzymes present in Loretta Fuddy at death, as fear is not something always detectable by the eye.
If Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” and “hyperventilating” the pilot and passenger Hollestein would not have said she appeared fine and calm. Those two things are detectable by the eye and would have been heard on the video.
3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?
Depending on the biological factors, yes or no. Hearsay by a brother don't mean squat.
What the family says does mean squat particularly when it comes to death brought on by “stress” and an anxiety filled personality. They knew her and her brother said she was very calm in stressful situations. And you don’t know that she did not share her medical history with him. Family members tend to do that.
“In the water, Fuddy held hands with Health Department deputy director Keith Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal.
“He recounted how he said he helped Loretta into her life jacket and he held her hand for some time,” the Kalaupapa priest said last month. “They were all floating together and she let go and there was no response from her.”
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140113_Health_Director_Loretta_Fuddy_died_of_cardiac_arrhythimia.html?id=240014161
“Emotional stress as a trigger in sudden cardiac death.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18827773
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Yeah, her and Brietbart.
Well, I’d say the same for Breitbart that I said about Fuddy. You could just look at the guy and tell he was at a high risk for heart disease. Not having a “pre-existing condition” doesn’t mean you are not in a high risk group.
What if each of the passengers had somebody extra in the water tasked with keeping them safe - like they do in a movie shoot?
I’m too swamped to bother with the ministers of disinformation here. They’re all going to ignore the point of this article, which is a very good one: the coroner speaks like an apologist for what he/she DIDN’T find, not a scientific presenter of what was actually found.
The fact is the coroner found no cause of death so should have just said they don’t know what the cause of death was. Instead, they tried to sell everybody on the death being natural, absent evidence of what the cause of death was.
This is not a scientific analysis of evidence, it is sheer psychological speculation. It’s no wonder they are illegally hiding this record from civilians but giving access to the same liars in the media who have been doing cover for this lawless regime all along.
Those are the critical points from the article - and very, very good points - but don’t expect those to be addressed by the clown section here or anywhere else. Alinsky trumps evidence, every time, in places where the clowns run wild.
Interesting viewpoints brought out on this issue. Seems rather convincing to me that she did not die of natural causes, such as a heart attack.
Thanks for the ping!
You have not seen the medical examiner’s professional opinion.We have what the AP reported as the medical examiner's professional opinion. Unless the AP is lying, of course.
nd part of the medical examiner’s job, particularly when trying to assign cardiac arrhythmia as a cause of death, would be to interview people who knew the deceased to see if there was any history of heart trouble or anxiety problems. And review her medical charts.50 years ago, maybe. Today, medical examiners don't interview people who knew the deceased, except if they need to gain access to medical records and need the permission of those people to do so. It can be assumed that Loretta's medical charts were examined, as those are routinely requested in autopsies for review.
These results would need to be seen and should be released.Pay 5 bucks and get a copy of the autopsy report. You're free to do so and then publish it all over internet. You say the details released were not from the autopsy report. Nope, I didn't say that at all. I said that what we've seen is what a journalist has summarized from the autopsy report. That's not the same as details released were not from the autopsy report. Work on your reading comprehension, son.
So then the cause of death as reported in the newspapers has no official bearing?Not to me, it don't.
And why did the AP get a copy of the autopsy but not Orly Taitz?Probably because they paid the 5 bucks and Stingy Taitz gave one of her imperial legal orders without paying. She still hasn't paid that fine she incurred here in GA.
According to Hawaii law they are public records available to the public. That is why it was released to the AP. And any requester would be informed by the public records officer of the cost.1) Yes, they are public records available to the public.
All I am saying is that if the medical examiner would wait for lab results before making a determination of ‘death by accident” you have to acknowledge that a piece of the necessary information is still out there: the cause of the crash.That would only be material a) if the crash caused her death, which it didn't, and b) if there was some evidence that the crash was caused intentionally. If there is no evidence that the crash was caused intentionally, then even if they don't know what caused the crash, it's going to be labeled as accidental death.
But the descriptions I included of the report are represented as direct quotes taken from the autopsy report and it does not sound like any autopsy report I have read .Then pay the money, get you a copy of it, and come back to me with an analysis you've made of the actual report itself.
If Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” and “hyperventilating” the pilot and passenger Hollestein would not have said she appeared fine and calm.No, I disagree entirely. I can look fine and calm and still be afraid and hyperventilating. You'd never know I was if you were looking at me. And if I can do it, so can Loretta.
Those two things are detectable by the eye and would have been heard on the video.No, not always. It's not always detectable by the eye. Look at all those athletes who just keel over from SADS. One minute they're perfect, next minute they're dead.
They knew her and her brother said she was very calm in stressful situations.Sure, just like my family knows me as real calm in stressful situations. My family don't know me at all, really.
And you don’t know that she did not share her medical history with him. Family members tend to do that.I only share my medical problems with my wife. I keep them secret from everyone else, including my mother. If my wife and I died in a car accident, no one but my doctor would know my medical problems.
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Let’s look at some practical issues with your theory. Can you explain in your analysis whether the other passengers on the plane knew in advance the plane was going to crash, and agreed to go on it anyway, even neglecting to put their life jackets on before ditching in the water. Yeah, right. Or, they were told afterwards (by who, where, when - in the water, in the hospital - when did the G men get to them all?)and were so ok with it they didn’t say a word? What about before the G men got to them - or were they waiting in the rescue vehicles? And that didn’t attract anyone’s attention? And neither did all Fuddy’s friends and relatives - even the Republicans - notice she wasn’t in her open casket coffin? Of course that’s what happened - because elderly overweight women never, ever have heart attacks when they are in the most stressful situations of their lives. After many years of stress being harrassed by birthers.
OK. So, he lands the plane, the PAX disembark with their baggage, and he follows Fuddy out into the airport parking lot and sticks her with one of those Bulgarian ricin umbrellas. All in a day's work for a Hawaiian inter-island pilot.
OK. So, that was the plan. But the friggin' engine quit shortly after takeoff, and he had to put it down in the drink.
Nevertheless, there was an assignment to complete, now bobbing in the water. He, Fuddy, the guy with GoPro, and the rest of the PAX. Gotta hurry, before the Coasties arrive!
Never fear, Kawasaki was up to the task! I'm sure Utter Nutter can explain how.
One person too many.
There's a four-letter agency which is very interested in failing airplane engines. They investigate very thoroughly and take the better part of a year to cough up their findings. And there's a three-letter agency they call if they find signs of foul play.
If you are a competent assassin, why would you risk their involvement, when a Bushmaster is all you'd need?
Then it would look like an assassination, with all the usual publicity and investigations, instead of an accident and death by natural causes, which satisfies the curious and gives people a reason to stop thinking about it.
Either way, the target is dead and a message sent, but one is very messy and the other very clean.
Are we even sure that Loretta Fuddy is dead and now buried (in the ground, rather than underground)?
Admittedly, given the "official" story, that has to sound like crazy, conspiratorial thinking.
But, fwiw, we didn't see bin Laden's body and, with this administration's ability to lie and deceive, I see no reason to believe he's dead without the pics.
At this point, with all of our experience so far, even if they're telling the truth, I don't believe there's a wolf anymore.
Because your questions could be asked by a non-shill I will respond.
First off, about the lifejackets - the original story that came out, and what is in the official reports, is that the passengers all had their life jackets on when they exited they plane. Flip Holstein said the first order of business was getting everybody out of their seatbelts, then putting on the life jackets, then waiting for the plane to start sinking - all before exiting the plane.
This video doesn’t match what we were told. Why? Kawasaki says he threw out the cushions and was the last person out - but that the waves were so crazy he couldn’t even find the cushion he had just thrown out. On the video we see Kawasaki out and holding onto a cushion while others are still exiting.
We see NOBODY with their life jacket on before they exited the plane, in flat contradiction with what was in the initial media reports and what is in the official reports.
We see Puentes showing no waiting time in the cabin. We see the water supposedly at the level of the cabin floor less than a minute after the plane hit the water. Both of those things in direct conflict with what Hollstein said, and with basic physics since the fuel tanks were mostly empty and would have acted as floats like a pontoon because of the air inside, until the air was displaced with water. There should have been some float time, as Hollstein referenced - but in Puentes’ video there isn’t. Then again, Puentes put his hand over the lens making a black screen so he could have edited out ANY length of time in the cabin...
We see Rosa Key with her arms out of the water and her uninflated life jacket not even touching the water because she’s so high out of the water. Sort of suspicious even from above the surface, and when you look more closely at the shot of both above and underwater you see a black guy in a light shirt on his back underwater closeby, with equipment and possibly some kind of float.
These almost look like 2 different events, to be truthful. The descriptions we received before the video came out are totally different than what is in the video.
Since Lang’s photos are photoshopped we have no idea what was going on in the sky or on the water that actual day. And when you look at the official reports there are more - and serious - questions that arise because of major discrepancies which I’m not going to go into yet.
There is no question that the other passengers knew something was going on. Fuddy is where everybody is looking almost the whole time. Jacob’s hand is photographed holding onto a black man underwater with black eyewear. He had to know that guy was there - yet he showed no surprise at the time and didn’t say a peep to the public about it afterwards. That should tell any thinking person all they need to know about the passengers being complicit.
Why weren’t they too scared to do it? Well... why do actors and actresses do underwater scenes where they’re trapped and barely get out, etc? Why are they not afraid of being underwater in those scenes? How many actors or actresses die in underwater shoots? What is responsible for those statistics? Answer those questions and then we can talk.
What I can tell you is that for every passenger there, there was at least one “extra” who was closeby in the Puentes video. And the role of the “extras” - based on where and how they appear - seems to be making sure that the passenger stays afloat and safe.
To the non-shills, I ask: Would you be willing to go in the ocean if you had your own personal lifeguard closeby at all times? If you were an actor or actress, how much money would you expect for doing just that? How much “discretionary” money does this regime have to work with?
And we wont’t (yet) even get into the real number of aircraft that were in that area on Dec 11, 2013...
Orly Taitz asked to see the report for herself and they won’t give it to her. They DID give it to the media shills that have already committed ridiculous measures to cover on this - including highly editing the Puentes video to hide what happened, pixelating those videos as soon as they found out somebody was looking more closely at them, and photoshopping still photos to make a couple of 4 (IIRC) frame “videos” from the funeral.
Does it bother you that they will only let their accomplices see the actual autopsy? $5 is below the amount that is routinely waived in UIPA requests.
You talk about molecular biology and post-mortem cardiac MRI’s. If those are the ways to diagnost ventricular arrhythmia, then wouldn’t you expect the autopsy to talk about that rather than about Fuddy seeming afraid? That is the whole point of this article. Adrenaline levels. Enzymes. Yeah, that’s the kind of evidence a person would expect in an autopsy. Medical history. That’s what we need to see. That is all the media people should have been ABLE to see in the autopsy. The fact that the autopsy included all these apologetics to try to show that their finding was plausible - for the media to have anything to report like that - is problematic.
But then there are other things that are problematic too. For instance, Maui County has no county coroner. The police chief is the acting coroner. And the Primary Information Officer for the police chief - Lt William Juan - was quoted the morning after the crash saying that Fuddy’s body had been retrieved from the wreckage. This is the acting coroner - the guy who was supposed to have all the official reports and have the real scoop on what happened, as well as the medical records, etc. And he was claiming that the body had been trapped in the fuselage.
The USCG reported at 5:17 that there was one person in critical condition, another in a USCG helicopter, and 7 on shore. At 5:21 it was reported that there was one dead, one in a USCG helicopter, and 7 on shore. The notes immediately after that said there was one dead and 8 in non-critical condition. So within 4 minutes they went from one critical to one dead, and all 8 others were non-critical. Tell me who that “critical” person was. The MCFD report said at 5:21 they were trying to decide whether to take the “critical” person to Maui or to Honolulu. If this was somebody who had been dead in the water for an hour or so and just needed to be declared dead by a doctor, why discuss taking her to Honolulu or Maui to be declared dead? If she was declared dead 2 minutes later there must have been somebody there who was able to declare her dead, so why the whole deal with her being in critical condition?
Add to all that the fact that during the time that the Maui County police chief was trying to come up with a cause of death for Fuddy, Michelle Obama suddenly decided she was going to hang out in Maui with Oprah - together with some newsbabe, Valerie “our enemies will pay” Jarrett, and Mrs. Eric “I will protect MY people” Holder - who were getting so much security from the Maui Police Dept that the residents were complaining they couldn’t do anything because of all the police cars around. Michelle Obama wouldn’t let on how long she was staying, until the day that the police chief announced the cause of death he had decided on. On that day Michelle Obama’s schedule finally indicated a DC appearance scheduled for 3 days later (IIRC; I’d have to try to find my documents to solidify those dates).
WAY, WAY more to this autopsy than meets the eye.
We’re dealing with a regime that gave new identities to dozens of Benghazi witnesses. Presumably that involved fake deaths.
Suggesting that they did the same thing to Fuddy is very reasonable, considering the numbers of people they put underground in the Benghazi cover-up - which shows this is the modus operandus of the current regime.
Once a thief has already been caught committing a couple dozen robberies it is no longer “controversial” to suggest that the same thief may have committed another robbery. The only people who would say it IS controversial after all that.... are people who want to Alinsky the issue rather than look at actual evidence.
We know them by their fruits - here on Free Republic as anywhere else.
I thought I was posting in response to your post. So ping to what I posted.
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