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Seems to complicated to me.
Some want to join the EU, some want to be joined at the hip with Russia, I am sure some want to assert sovereignty and I am sure there are many small groups who will take advantage of the chaos to settle scores.
Seems too complicated to me.
Some want to join the EU, some want to be joined at the hip with Russia, I am sure some want to assert sovereignty and I am sure there are many small groups who will take advantage of the chaos to settle scores.
Your statement that “it’s as if the entire nation is pretty much openly run by organized crime” echoes the opinion of a Ukrainian missionary that is associated with my church.
He insisted forcefully earlier this week that the American media had not told the full story, that this conflict is not about a trade agreement with the EU or Russia, but rather about a people fed up with corruption and rigged elections. The trade issue was just a spark, not the fire.
His first-hand account of the ongoing protest since November was both thrilling and chilling. Regardless of who is pulling the strings, I have utmost respect for the people of the Ukraine who have sustained this effort for months under brutal conditions. For months, they maintained supply lines to those camped in bitter cold and sang the national anthem en masse, on the hour, day and night.
Video from Tuesday, during the violence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ypE3G_pgE
May good prevail, because other former Soviet states are watching.
And thank you, both for your research and for sharing it with us.
Thank you for gathering all this data together. I’ll need to study it for a few days to get a full picture.
Let’s link Jeff Head’s summary here.
2014 Ukrainian Popular Revolt
“Vladimir, they aren’t coming back”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3126051/posts?page=1
You did a lot of work there. Thanks for putting that all together and posting it here for us. Will look at it closer when less tired. Thanks again!
Thank you very much. Fascinating/very educational.
Interesting analysis from Mark Hackard, American independent foreign policy analyst on a partition of Ukraine.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article182030.html
Interesting research...although it is fact, not conspiracy, that George Soros backs the protestors in Ukraine. Also, the liberal media in the US did not focus on Ukraine until Russia passed its Homosexual Laws.
Scary how involved the US taxpayer funded USAID is involved in Ukraine.
Maybe its a “stage of capitalism” thing, as it does seem sort of shocking that single oligarch has a business conglomerate employing 200,000 people. In the U.S. today, you can only see that in a few of the largest U.S. stock exchange traded companies, where, ownership is very dispersed and diversified.
But, to my “stage of capitalism” point, we did have some very big “oligarchs” in U.S. business history and they did start what became some of the biggest and most successful companies in the country - some times (they had some failuires to).
Given Ukraine is only one generation removed from its Soviet past, maybe a bunch of “oligarchs” is not as unnatural as it might seem. I think we see the same thing happening now in this stage of China’s “capitalism” trasition.
Great effort. Thanks! The more practical and immediate question to answer, though, is which oligarchs should have more influence, eastern or western? And consider of consequences of the more autocratic oligarchs having more control over the world. Some situations, like it or not, are controlled by the rabble. Outcomes don’t always follow desires and plans.
The long term problem is that of choosing between more nationalism and empire. The U.S. nationalism of years past, based more on good deeds and less on communism/fascism, was not a bad way to go.