Posted on 12/07/2013 5:44:32 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
Do you deny asserting a relativistic position? Where do you draw the line?
No, I missed something. Thanks.
o”Does this bother anyone else?”
I hate to be the one to break it to you but this stuff was going on when I was attending FSU a long while ago. It took me about one term of watching their antics at fraternity parties to be totally sick of football players. They get away with whatever they do. Then they go into the NFL and do it all over again.
He wasn't the starting quarterback at the time. He'd never taken the field for FSU.
About 15-20 years ago, the Boulder County DA made “date rape” a top priority. Over the next couple of years, he brought 3-4 cases of “date rape” of University of Colorado co-eds to trial, all with tremendous publicity. They lost every case. Since then, not a peep about “date rape” by any subsequent DA, not a single case brought to trial, not a peep about “date rape” in the press here.
You make the call.
see post 57. I hope that explains my position. :)
Your answer seems to indicate you don’t know where to draw the line.
All you assert is I cannot draw the line, but how do you know I don’t have an adequate ethic if you yourself don’t know where to draw the line?
Sorry, it just seems to me you’re saying, “Everyone does it, so that makes it okay. Football players. Groupies. Sex. Culture. Let it go.” I think that is unhealthy, not just for the culture but for the individuals involved. And I think the leadership of a team is responsible, at least somewhat, for trying to develop healthy attitudes and behavior in their student athletes.
I have never indicated that I think the young man should be prosecuted for rape. What I indicated is that he engaged in bad behavior and am surprised his team’s leadership isn’t holding him accountable.
You asked earlier if I think he should be ruined for life, or something like that. Certainly not, and I never proposed that. What I *do* think should happen is that he ought to have some kind of appropriate punishment that would deter him from making another bad judgment...because this WAS a bad judgment on his part.
Should he be thrown off the team? I don’t think so—unless it were proven he committed a crime. That won’t happen. But “not committing a crime” is too high a bar to set for someone in his position, in my opinion.
Whatever the “college culture of today” may or may not be (there have been immoral behaviors at colleges from time immemorial, if my knowledge of history is accurate), I believe a standard ought to be set and adhered to—coaches ought to expect their players to behave appropriately and deliver sanctions to those who do not act appropriately.
Anyway, it certainly has been an interesting conversation throughout the day. :)
Yes, FSU seems to have a history of that...for some reason. Love your tag line, by the way!
Dude, it’s Tallahassee…..they know who is coming up the pipeline - he was celebrity recuirt the second he stepped foot on campus…it was known he was the heir apparent to Manuel.
Nice try...
I know where the draw the line in my own life. Unllike you, I know what is my business and what is not my business. You are a pollyanna fool.
I wonder if the “roofies” test is normally given in this situation in this jurisdiction. As I’ve said, there is no evidence that this was anything but consensual. If date rape drugs were used, that would of course flip the scrip 180 degrees.
Your business is telling others what THEIR business ought to be.
Interesting pretzel you twist.
no, I am simply observing what your business is not…..you simply do not have standing in this arena. You can twist your panties in a wad over it if you want, but you simply do not have standing. Not because I said so, but just because.
Your observation is peculiar, as the purpose of a discussion board is *generally* to discuss events, people, ideas, and behaviors which occur in the public arena. What would you have us do? Allow you to "observe" what others' business is and is not?
How about if *I* "observe" that it is not your business to tell me what *my* business is? Seems equitable.
I've never advocated civil government intervention in a non-criminal case, which is pretty much in keeping with the philosophy of the founders of this forum, and have merely expressed my opinion regarding this immoral activity.
You can twist your panties in a wad over it if you want, but you simply do not have standing.
:)
A review of the posts on this thread certainly will show I am not the one using invective. Instead, your posts reveal someone with a whole lotta vitriol goin' on!
If it'll make you feel like you've got the last word, go ahead and flame away...I won't respond, and you can pretend you've gotten a really good dig in that I simply can't refute.
Have a nice day.
Not gonna let you change the subject, the way an Obama drone would do with obama care here. You are barking up wrong tree.
My initial observation is not peculiar to the logical mind, and of course you are avoiding the big steaming pile of pooh you stepped in - which was our first debate - and now trying to conflate issues in the secondary debate because you have been proven so absurdly wrong on your first issue.
At first, you assumed this was some entitled jock taking advantage of some pure as the wind driven snow flower after getting her drunk. Now all points of your assumption have been shown to be wrong. Unless there is new evidence showing a date rape drug was used, the known facts point to a female jock sniffer out for a score, who was not drunk for purposes of memory, and yet who lied about that trying to excuse her actions post facto. The only known lie in the story was hers.
So your entire premise was totally flawed. Totally. That was argument one.
Now then you went to an embarrassed “where do you draw the line” on “fornication,” as if that is grounds for teams suspending players. That’s pollyannish. And yet, you insist, that FSU should be the only team on the planet to suspend players for allowing themselves to be picked up by little horn co eds. You do NOT have standing on this, except to not watch if you are too disgusted by the whole atmosphere.
BTW, I could accept that and respect that, and I do often tune out sports - which I used to really get into - because of cultural issues. But I don’t go online and expect them to “draw the line” where I want it. IT is not MY line to draw NOR yours.
Thus, I am not doing anything peculiar. I am merely pointing out that neither you nor I have standing to expect college football to suddenly change their entire universe of mores one month before a title game and one week before the presentation of the sports’ biggest individual honor. You sir are just being an absurd fuddy.
Both of your cases? Epic fails.
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