FSU’s Winston won’t be charged

Journal Gazette ^ | 12/6/13 | Gary Fineout

[C. Edmund Wright]

Shouldn’t there be a value judgement and consequences placed upon such immorality?

Not in the context of football, no….because I've got news for you: as starting quarterback of a top flight football team, you walk around a campus where thousands of women will do anything to get in YOUR pants. Yes, that's the truth. I'm guessing you never ever have been in that situation. It would be nice if more were like Tim Tebow, but absurd to expect it, and absurd to try and enforce it.

[C. Edmund Wright]

And understand….Tallahassee is not like Lexington Ky or Chapel Hil NC or Tuscaloosa - where the only thing in town is the U of sports….Tallahassee is that state capital and not just some tiny backwater college town.

[SoFloFreeper]

From the article:

...the woman’s blood-alcohol content at the hospital was 0.04 percent and investigators estimated it to be about 0.10 percent at the time of the incident, based on the amount of time that had passed. The legal n Florida is 0.08 percent.

So there is reason to believe she was legally drunk. Why do you think the team should not hold Winston accountable for such behavior?

[Gen.Blather]

“When the DA is a FSU grad and loyal supporter”

The State’s Attorney, Willie Meggs, is the only elected democrat against whom the “Tallahassee Democrat” has come out endorsing a Republican challenger. He is horrible. However, he made a good call here. The girl in question belonged to a sorority with the hash tag #cleatchasers; dedicated to having sex with athletes and bragging about it. She also got up while having sex and pushed another player out who was taking pictures. She had multiple DNA traces in her body. There was no case.

[C. Edmund Wright]

Dude…you are analyzing this story as if you’re totally unfamiliar with either sex or drinking. At .10, you are NOT drunk enough to forget stuff. That is barely over the legally drunk standard for driving….DRIVING A CAR - and at that level, you only have a slight loss of motor skills. You do not have loss of memory or even inhabiitions at that point.

The .08 for driving a car is relatively recent. I think it’s a good level for driving, but it is a very low bar.

[C. Edmund Wright]

She was a known “cleat chaser” - openly so - do you have ANY idea what this means?

[C. Edmund Wright]

I think it’s threads like these that gives FR the rep of being a bunch of old out of touch geezers and puritans. Your info on the “cleatchaser” dynamic is so important here. College athletes today live in a world where the women often throw themselves at them….the notion that Winston “took advantage” of some poor debutante who just got a mikey slipped into her drink is just absurd.

[SoFloFreeper]

I find it amazing you readily accept young men and women acting like feral cats and dogs because they have a prestigious position.

I suppose you were comfortable with Clinton’s behavior, too?

Where do you draw the line regarding WHO can behave in an immoral fashion and who ought not? Or is there no real line? Are we all allowed to think of ourselves as important enough to engage with willing strangers in sexual behavior?

[Mouton]

What annoys me the most about these type cases is we have a guy now who has been accused of a crime wherein there is nothing to support that claim except testimony but his name is out there for all time as an accused rapist. Meanwhile, the other half of this transaction is unnamed.

[niteowl77]

There are several answers to this. The university makes $1.5 billion dollars off of football. The players are universally treated as gods. (I live in town.) There are simply no rules for young black men. If they told them not to have sex with drunk women they’d be laughed at.

I spent one term living in the "jock dorms" at a minor Midwestern university, and it confirmed my belief that sports do "build character." (The caveat being that such character is generally bad.) One of my former co-workers had a very attractive sister who was housed nearby, and when her acquiescence was not forthcoming, the reactions of those fine young athletes were often frightening.

How much worse things have gotten in 30+ years, I probably can't even begin to imagine.

Mr. niteowl77

[C. Edmund Wright]

I don’t condone anything you jackass….but I don’t obsess over everything I do not condone either. I don’t need either politicians nor athletes to be my role models.

But that’s beside the point: you are talking about a world you dont know jacksh-t about, and trying to enforce some kind of moral code on it that simply does not apply to it. You just have it in your mind that a rapist is getting away with something simply becuase of football money. I’m sorry, that’s simply not what happened in this case from all that we know.

Has nothing to do with my condoning this or that….take your pharisees robes elswhere…..

[SoFloFreeper]

I think you make good points. As I have tried to point out, my concern is not with the rape accusation per se, but the larger moral question of the university’s acceptance of such behavior.

Shouldn’t a leader be expected to behave with integrity and decorum? I think so.

[PapaBear3625]

Are you totally clueless as to what goes on in all college dorms now? Open door multiple partner sex, often initiated by the girls, is very very normal. Why do you think healthcare.gov ran commercials showing the GIRL as the instigator in the bro’s and ho’s commercial? That’s how it happens now…..

It's always been that way. The lid is just off right now.

Girls get excited at the idea of getting a high-status guy (the alpha males), the charming, fit guy that all her friends would be impressed by. It's called hypergamy. In college, the football-players are among the highest-status guys around.

In the old days, girls who failed to get a high-status guy to commit to them by the age when they needed to be married, would settle for a non-exciting guy who would be a decent provider (the beta male). After a while, sex with the beta husband peters out, although the wife might have affairs with an exciting-but-unavailable guy, until she finally hits the age where alpha males no longer have any interest in her.

Now, she can have her own career, not have to worry about snagging a good provider husband, and ride the cock carousel until she's old enough that the kind of guys she's interested in, lose interest in her. Then she finds some beta.

[C. Edmund Wright]

Well, it’s “always been that way” and then there’s matter of degree. Lot of things that have “always been” are now moreso than ever - and this is particularly true of MFM and Black on white. For anyone not down with this, Google it and be prepared to be shocked.

[ilovesarah2012]

Wonder how the bedroom door got broken?

[PapaBear3625]

According to the report of prosecutors who chose NOT to prosecute, the girl WAS drunk. You disagree with the prosecutors who are not prosecuting?

Depends on your standard of "drunk". At the time of the incident, her level was probably .1 or so: too high to be driving, but not so high that she would be unaware of what was going on, and thus not high enough that she could not give consent.

[C. Edmund Wright]

ZACKLY on the .1

[DManA]

I heard the press conference. The prosecutor said she wasn’t drunk. Couldn’t explain the memory lapses. Memory lapses look awful in court.

[PapaBear3625]

I think you make good points. As I have tried to point out, my concern is not with the rape accusation per se, but the larger moral question of the university’s acceptance of such behavior. Shouldn’t a leader be expected to behave with integrity and decorum? I think so.

If we're going to enforce rules of decorum, then the rules should either be applied EQUALLY, or not at all. By this I mean, the women should be subject to sanctions for getting drunk and going to a guy's residence. THEN we might see a reduction.

[ilovesarah2012]

FSU’s athletic programs had nation’s 13th-highest revenue in 2012

TALLAHASSEE — Florida State was one of 13 schools that generated more than $100 million in revenue from its athletics department last year, according to a study released Wednesday by the USA Today.

In a report that was tracking increases in subsidies, specifically from student fees, at colleges across the country, the USA Today released comprehensive findings of the revenues and expenses various public universities reported to the NCAA last year. USA Today found that FSU reported $100,049,444 in revenue in 2012. That’s up approximately $22 million from the year before.

Only 12 other schools, including in-state rival Florida, made more than $100 million off their athletic programs. FSU brought in almost $20 million more than the next ACC school on the list, North Carolina. Soon-to-be ACC school Louisville, generated nearly $88 million in revenue in 2012, the report said.

For its purposes, the report cited revenue as anything received from ticket sales, contributions, rights licensing, subsidies and funds from the NCAA and conference distribution agreements, covering all sports. In its reporting to the NCAA, FSU ultimately said it had operated self-sufficiently on more than $611,000 during the 2011-12 school year. That number did not include the funds received from student fees, and was adjusted to meet state guidelines in ticket revenue reporting. Under Florida law, all universities must retain, and use for women’s athletics, an amount equal to sales taxes that they collect from tickets for sports events.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/blogs/chopping-block/os-cb-florida-state-fsu-usa-today-revenue-20130508,0,4055677.post