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Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police
FoxNews.com ^ | 11-7-2013 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 11/07/2013 6:52:20 PM PST by servo1969

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To: kjam22
The scene was intense. When firefighters arrived, flames were shooting out of the two-story house. The Press-Journal reports that the boy's mother and stepfather were able to exit the backdoor of the house after an unsuccessful attempt to get to the boy sleeping in another room. In all, it reportedly took firefighters eight hours to put out the fire.
21 posted on 11/07/2013 7:45:49 PM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: ghannonf18

Amen, Jesus said, no love is greater than he who lays down his life for another.


22 posted on 11/07/2013 7:57:11 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: null and void

I would happily trade my life for any of my kids, or anyone’s kids for that matter. I couldn’t live with myself if I stood by and did nothing.


23 posted on 11/07/2013 7:58:30 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: CelesteChristi

I’m getting so tired of crap like this. What would they have done had it been their child? I hope those cops end up in a life threatening situation and nobody comes to help.


24 posted on 11/07/2013 7:59:07 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Vendome

later, according to the account I read, this all happened before firefighters arrived.


25 posted on 11/07/2013 7:59:52 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: kjam22

Firefighters aren’t supermen. Even with all that gear and training, some fires are just too bad for them to go into and accomplish anything.


26 posted on 11/07/2013 8:01:43 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Vendome

RE: “We did this last night. Cops did the right thing and saved his life.”

Are you saying you were at this location or that something similar happened at another location? Or am I completely misunderstanding what you are saying?


27 posted on 11/07/2013 8:01:59 PM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: melsec
No firefighter nor police should be able to "restrain" a father, mother, grandparent or other from attempting to save a child, spouse or other family member.

What in the world has happened to this country - attempting to be the nanny of everything and everyone, not only determining what someone should or should not do in situations like this?

What has happened to sacrifices to preserve human life?

We had firefighters and emergency personnel stand by while someone drowned in a local lake, on the premise that "it was too dangerous for them to save the life of a drowning teenager."

Have they never heard of lifelines?

Thankfully, many of our forefathers never had such reservations toward acts of heroism.

Imagine how "authorities" might respond today to those brave souls at the Alamo? Today, they'd all be arrested, tased, held for militancy and defiance of "authorities (aka liberals who "know better" what is best for everyone!)

Whether it is police refusing to act or police/firefighters determining that a loving parent desires to save a child, we have far, far too many people with a "god delusion," making decisions, then forcing those decisions on everyone.

In my opinion, tasters are being used by far too many "authorities" against a free people exercising their God given rights to not be assaulted!

28 posted on 11/07/2013 8:05:49 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Gil4

Story posted last night and we hashed it out.


29 posted on 11/07/2013 8:05:55 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: zerosix

I respectfully disagree - if the house is a blazing inferno and there is hardly even the prospect of getting in the front door then I think it is being compassionate and thinking about the rest of the man’s family in doing so. A person faced with this position may be temporarily not thinking straight.
If there is a possibility of actually saving a human life then self sacrifice is noble and right. If in the Emergency services people’s minds there was no hope then they did the guy, and the rest of his family, a favor. As I know quite a few Emergency Services and rescue type guys - if there was any chance at all they would have been in there!


30 posted on 11/07/2013 8:23:31 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Bulwyf

The story suggests it wouldn’t have been a trade...just another lost life, or more.


31 posted on 11/07/2013 8:25:49 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: melsec
That's their right, not to enter that house. It would be their responsibility to attempt to restrain him by holding him back but hand cuff him, tase him……three times!!!

Good God man (or woman) what are you smoking?

For some of us being tased is enough to kill us so if you're (as in "authorities who 'know best'") going to use some device that could kill me, why not let me go in a burning inferno?

At least, if I decide to go into a burning inferno it's my life but getting tased and having a heart attack or stroke is in my mind, murder.

But at least it's murder that is justifiable because I don't know what's "good for me."

This madness used to be laughable as in Bloomberg determining that a 16 oz drink wasn't "good for me, coconut oil being used to popcorn, isn't "good for me."

Cuffing, arresting and tasing me three times goes a bit over the brink of determining what's "in my best interest," don't you think!!!

I guess I'm just too old, after all I rode in cars without "government approved car seats," slept in cribs without "government approved mattresses," rode on bikes without "government approved helmets, elbow, kneepads and teeth protectors," played on jungle gyms, played kickball, dodge ball, hung out in the neighborhood in the summers without adult supervision for most of the day, I probably even ran with scissors!

Hell, my family even had paint with lead in it in our home and my IQ is over 150, so I'm not too sensitive to people making their own decisions as to what's in their best interest without needing the "authorities" looking over my shoulder 24/7.

32 posted on 11/07/2013 8:43:29 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: null and void

His son was his life.


33 posted on 11/07/2013 8:47:41 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Up yours NSA !)
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To: VerySadAmerican

“I’m getting so tired of crap like this.”

I’m right there with you. There’s a special place for those responsible for this.


34 posted on 11/07/2013 8:48:10 PM PST by CelesteChristi
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To: Dogbert41

Yeah. I know. I’m a father.


35 posted on 11/07/2013 8:49:05 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: liege

I agree. He may be acting unwisely, but he felt he needed to do something. The cop is possibly in a very, very dangerous set of circumstances.

If my son died in a horrible fashion; and a policeman physically restrained me, then stunned me so I couldn’t at least make the attempt to rescue - things would get very very dark. I know what I would do, it would make the news - it wouldn’t be good and would not end well. But that is me.


36 posted on 11/07/2013 8:53:57 PM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: zerosix
That's their right, not to enter that house. It would be their responsibility to attempt to restrain him by holding him back but hand cuff him, tase him……three times!!!

Exactly WHO gets to decide when it's THEIR responsibility to make a life-altering decision on MY behalf? I was under the impression I was a free man, not a slave. I didn't realize that my owners get to decide when I cannot endanger my own life to rescue a loved one.

If you wish to be chattel to unelected public servants, that's your choice. However, I believe I have the right to make my own decisions, and take risks with my life as I deem fit. If I believed I could succeed, in MY house, with MY child - where others have failed; then that is my decision.

You are assuming rights, powers and privileges you do not have over other free men.

37 posted on 11/07/2013 9:00:16 PM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Vendome

Ahhh.

You sounded a bit casual for someone who seemed to be saying “Hey, last night we tazed a guy who was trying to save his son, too.” I’m glad that wasn’t it.


38 posted on 11/07/2013 9:12:25 PM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: zerosix

I am with you 100%.

Having read a previous post regarding potential law suits if they let the man go and he died, well I guess that is something I hadn’t thought of.

I can’t begin to imagine the horror for this man, it makes my skin crawl.


39 posted on 11/07/2013 9:38:07 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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To: ghannonf18
A Man has the god given right to sacrifice himself in an attempt to save his family, futile or not....

You are absolutely correct. No government official has the right to decide if it was safe for him to go in or not, they can warn him but they have no right to stop him. What if it wasn't to dangerous, what if he could have saved the son? And even if he burned up that is his decision to make in a free society, no one else has the right to make that decision for him.

As for tasering him twice after he was cuffed that is total BS.

40 posted on 11/07/2013 9:50:17 PM PST by calex59
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