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Posted on 10/10/2013 7:27:48 AM PDT by Morgana

FULL TITLE: The photograph that shamed Mexico: Health director suspended after shocking image of indigenous woman giving birth on a clinic LAWN when nurses denied her treatment went viral

A disturbing photograph of an indigenous woman from Mexico delivering a baby on a patch of grass outside a medical center has set off a firestorm online and sparked a national debate that led to the suspension of the head of the clinic that has turned the mother away.

The shocking image, taken by a passerby, shows 29-year-old Irma Lopez , who is of Mazatec ethnicity, squatting after giving birth, her face contorted in pain and her tiny newborn son still bound by the umbilical cord and lying on the ground.

The government of the southern state of Oaxaca announced Wednesday that it has suspended the health center's director, Dr. Adrian Cruz, while officials conduct state and federal investigations into the October 2 incident.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: birth; mexico; oaxaca; prolife

1 posted on 10/10/2013 7:27:48 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Coming to a hospital near you.


2 posted on 10/10/2013 7:29:13 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Hoodat; narses; little jeremiah

Correction, coming to a hospital lawn near you!


3 posted on 10/10/2013 7:32:34 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Everytime we have a government shutdown our government run ObamaCare will be shutdown as well. Yiippeee!!


4 posted on 10/10/2013 7:35:58 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

if you are a Republican you will be denied care too..Obamacare is only for his clan...not the rest of us..


5 posted on 10/10/2013 7:37:36 AM PDT by Youngman542012
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To: Morgana
Language barrier?
In Mexico?
Mazatec Indian cannot speak Spanish?
Make that. NATIVE BORN Mazatec Indian cannot speak Spanish?
Hmm.
Mexico doesn't offer “Spanish as a Second Language” in their schools?

I am sure this could never happen here, because all immigrants and native born are taught ENGLISH. /s, major /s

6 posted on 10/10/2013 7:40:24 AM PDT by Tupelo (Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory, an old Republican Tradition.)
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To: Morgana

Omexicare.


7 posted on 10/10/2013 7:49:48 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Morgana

My money says it’s the next immigration protest on the national mall.


8 posted on 10/10/2013 7:53:35 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: Morgana

9 posted on 10/10/2013 7:59:37 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Tupelo
Language barrier?

If a nurse can't tell a woman is in labor, even without a common language, then "nurse" doesn't mean anything but "person collecting a salary for standing around in a medical facility."

10 posted on 10/10/2013 8:01:24 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: Tupelo

We visited Oaxaca about 20 years ago and found few locals spoke Spanish.


11 posted on 10/10/2013 8:05:19 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Morgana

But wait! Isn’t that the way they gave birth before those evil Europeans invaded the paradise now known as THE NEW WORLD?

It is the perfect natural birth!

We will have it once Obamacare kicks in!


12 posted on 10/10/2013 8:24:48 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Morgana

Oaxaca has something like 22 Indian languages/ tribes living in the surrounding area, most of them probably illiterate and pretty much NOT Western civ. When I was visiting there with my mom, a woman jumped into the town fountain, stripped herself naked, and bathed in there. No one missed a beat. It is NOT Mexico City there, and I bet this stuff happens all the time. This woman was speaking an Indian language - they mentioned that they didn’t understand her, and vice versa - and probably came down from the hills.

I was born near the California border east of the coastal mountains - not THAT long ago. There was a lot of agriculture there - my mom said the Mexican women who were working in the fields simply gave birth right there and then continued to work.

It probably has been so since time immemorial.


13 posted on 10/10/2013 8:29:19 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Youngman542012

There will be a light reflectivity test: Too much light, cracker, and you ain’t gettin’ in.


14 posted on 10/10/2013 8:30:28 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("So the minimum plan for obamacare is 100 bucks a month I like you Obama but nigga I'm broke")
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To: Morgana
Hey, my daughter had a hairdresser who shocked her with the story of how her sister had waited too long to go to the hospital, and she (the hairdresser) ended up delivering the baby on the lawn in front of a couple of young boys on bikes. It happens.

Now, if the "clinic" was one that is going broke giving free service to people who will never pay the bill, then maybe there is another side to this story.

15 posted on 10/10/2013 8:41:22 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

Okay, I am responding to myself, naughty girl didn’t read the full article, I thought it was one of our clinics close to the border, where pregnant girls try to get to so that the baby is considered an American citizen. Sorry to my fellow Freepers.


16 posted on 10/10/2013 8:44:13 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Tupelo

This is more a sign of the rampant racism that exists in Mexico, despite the fact that liberals want you to believe that Only Whites are racist. I saw this myself with Hispanic employees I had, they looked down on the “Los Indios” and said that they didn’t speak Spanish.


17 posted on 10/10/2013 8:47:01 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: BipolarBob
Everytime we have a government shutdown our government run ObamaCare will be shutdown as well. Yiippeee!!

I have been giving thought to this exact thing during this shutdown. Look at what this petty, vindictive man is doing to the American Citizen because we are not giving in to his out of control spending. Imagine if he (or someone like him) would have our healthcare at his disposal to punish us with.

18 posted on 10/10/2013 8:47:07 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Morgana

Indios in mexico are treated extremely bad. I wont forget I saw cops beating “squaws” in the streets of Juarez many years ago. They were not allowed int the shopping districts.


19 posted on 10/10/2013 8:51:56 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: bboop
We flew down to Hautulco way back when there was only one hotel on the beach, chopped literally out of the jungle. With little to do but swim and eat, we asked the hotel director where we might see “real Mexico,” and he suggested we fly to Oaxaca.
He got our tickets for the next day and we flew slowly between the mountains in a sparkling clean DC-3, operated by Air Liberdat. Many on the airplane were Indians, dressed in white, wearing sandals.
The Oaxaca airport terminal was tiled in onyx with a thatched roof. Mexicana flew in from Mexico City as the only connector flight.
We stayed at the Hotel Presidente (presidente street, Presidente bar, presidente office building.)
Using my halfway high school Spanish, I introduced myself to the hotel clerk and my third try at asking for a room, he relented and said “I speak English, senior.”
There was a large church on the plaza where, in the evening, local teens took part in a dating ritual. While mom and dad watched from sidewalk tables (I think at the Restaurant Presidente,) the girls walked clockwise around this square and the guys walked counter clockwise, passing notes and touching hands with one another. It was very stylish and very old fashioned.
In the morning, we got a cab to drive us around for half a day. Traffic was directed by women police officers, standing on elevated platforms at four corners, uniformed, with white gloves. Nearly everyone was 5 feet tall and brown. Very Indian and not typical Mexican.
We just missed the Oaxaca Radish Festival...
20 posted on 10/10/2013 9:54:55 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Cool story.


21 posted on 10/10/2013 11:39:55 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Oh yes, it sounds exactly like Oaxaca. I’ve seen that walking clockwise/counter-clockwise too, maybe there. It is also represented in some of the typical dances. We took a tour bus/ small, south of there to an Indian market. Our son was about 10, blonde. The Indian ladies there followed him - reminded me of Cortes’s stories - and they came up to about his upper arm. VERY short Indians there.

We passed a guy plowing his fields with an oxen and one of those very basic plows - wood + a point/ hand-held. As we drove south towards Chiapas (but not INTO Chiapas), there was a road block - tires burning on the hiway and guys with guns. Our bus driver stopped and talked to the guys, and we took off into the field to make a detour. It was unsettling and seemed, at that moment, very far from DC.


22 posted on 10/10/2013 12:27:18 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Tupelo

It is very easy to believe the many, many Indian groups in Mexico do not all speak Spanish. I bet Mexico does not even have schools up in those indigenous areas.


23 posted on 10/10/2013 12:28:37 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Mastador1

Rampant racism, indeed! By gradations of skin color. Top is ‘white’ European, the conquerors. Then by gradations to black, lowest of the low.

I tutored a girl who came up from Colombia - same racist structures there. She was Indian + black, mixed. She had been in an orphanage. They did not bother to teach her, she was so low on the totem pole. I taught her the ALPHABET -an 8 year old,!!!! and how to read — Spanish, first, and then English - so she could enter one of the private schools here in So Cal. Talk about a transition.

She loved Cinderella best of all our books. We rewrote it according to her re-telling, very simply. It was HER story, of course.


24 posted on 10/10/2013 12:32:48 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Hoodat

-— Coming to a hospital near you.-—

But she didn’t have to pay anything out of pocket.


25 posted on 10/10/2013 12:37:30 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Mastador1

—I saw this myself with Hispanic employees I had, they looked down on the “Los Indios” and said that they didn’t speak Spanish.—

So you’re saying that Mexico isn’t so much different than the United States.


26 posted on 10/10/2013 12:41:31 PM PDT by JoeTheGeorgian
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To: Morgana

England is killing people in their hospitals. They need to look at themselves first.


27 posted on 10/10/2013 1:20:23 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: JoeTheGeorgian

What I am saying is that yes, we as HUMANS are no different in our ability to be racist despite the fact of all the people who ascribe racism to Whites only.


28 posted on 10/10/2013 1:43:37 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: bboop
We always took our son with us on these sojourns to Mexico. We went to Ixtapa, Cancun, Mexico City, etc. This was in his pre-teens, in the 1980s.

The big shopping area was one long tunnel of tents and tin shacks, connected together, within walking distance of our hotel. A straw hat salesman was convinced he could find a hat for my size 8 and a half head but no luck. I did find some sandals that fit and bought those with American money.

The people at the hotel were different than the local natives and spoke rapid Spanish. Locals spoke in “chants” that to my ears seemed to rhyme.

Curiously, there are Oaxaca locals, short, brown Indians, working in a local Mexican cafe and at a local nursery here in mid-Missouri. When I mention the radish festival, they seem to make a connection.

There was some kind of sewer gas coming up in the shower of our hotel room and my wife got a little woozy. The hotel called a local doctor and he showed up, carrying his medical kit in a nice Plano tackle box. He listened to her lungs and throat and concluded it was “all in her head.”
He wrote a prescription but we never filled it and checked out the next day...

29 posted on 10/10/2013 1:46:59 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yes, traveling in Mexico is always, well, different. I lived in DF after high school, got to know the City pretty well, improved my Spanish a lot. Have driven down Baja from California (when it was a dirt road) — which is where I saw the courting young people walking in circles, I think - and poked around Yucatan. The people are lovely, really. I have had wonderful experiences and yet, I would not go there now. Too much lawlessness. So interesting to hear about your trips.

And so interesting - you have the Oaxacans there in Missouri?


30 posted on 10/10/2013 5:42:42 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: bboop
Yes.
If you want a roof re shingled, tree planted, sprinkler system installed, it will likely done via Mexican labor. The owner of the nursery where we bought some specialty trees told me the fellows from Oaxaca were the most loyal, dependable and hardest working men he had ever seen. We have rocky ground and very little top soil, so when the lads put in the sprinkler (draws from Lake of the Ozarks) they dug the trenches with picks. And they didn't waste any time. My first visit to Mexico was in 1966 in high school. I took a summer session in Spanish and Mexican culture at the Tech in Monterrey. I went down with 30 or so kids on a big bus from Kirksville, Missouri. It lasted six weeks and we stayed in the dorm on campus and had our chow at their cafeteria. I had cabrito at El Tio's in Monterrey. It was either delicious or maybe it was the XX... We took a trip to Saltio and a couple other cities nearby. Took the city bus from the campus to downtown and had a lot of fun. Mexican girls were interested in us. They wanted to learn English. Us guys had other ideas. A kid from Oklahoma almost got us thrown in jail one evening when he pulled down a big electric switch on the outside wall of the local police station and shut down all the street lights in a five block area. Close call but one of our instructors happened by at the right moment and explained the gringo kids were not trying to start a revolution.
31 posted on 10/10/2013 7:44:13 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Very interesting. Yes, they are a hard-working and honorable group - for the most part/ as with all humans.


32 posted on 10/11/2013 5:46:29 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: bboop

Don’t know what happened to my graphs...


33 posted on 10/11/2013 6:01:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Mastador1

I was kind of being snarky. If you watch Telemundo or Univision, you’ll notice that a lot of the presenters/stars of those shows look very, very much like our own “stars”, i.e., they are just as racist/ethnocentrist as we supposedly are or worse, actually.


34 posted on 10/11/2013 3:13:04 PM PDT by JoeTheGeorgian
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To: JoeTheGeorgian

You see we agree. I have no problem with snarky it’s one of my middle names along with all the others given me by my Hispanic employees that I can’t repeat here.


35 posted on 10/11/2013 3:18:53 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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