Goodbye Big Bang, hello black hole? A new theory of the universe's creation

Phys.org ^ | 9/19/13 | Elizabeth Howell

[wonkowasright]

Personally I think it all started not with a 4D star but rather with WD-4D

[LibWhacker]

My understanding is that, in general, a singularity is just a region of spacetime that you can't get any information out of or into. You can't make any predictions or draw any conclusions or inferences about what's there. Our models break down.

So there is the technological singularity a la Kurzweil. In math, it's a function that goes to infinity and you can't do anything with it at that point. In physics, the only kind of singularities I can think of are stellar black holes, supermassive black holes and universes in some kind of giant multiverse.

IMO, when we're talking about all the mass of our universe being compressed into an infinitely dense black hole, we're talking about something that is many, many orders of magnitude more massive than a regular black hole and may therefore, perhaps, be a totally different kind of creature, as we've seen so many times before in physics when our focus changes by many orders of magnitude. Just my two cents; I'm definitely no physicist!

[PubliusMM]

What? No Way! Leave the Big Bang Theory alone!. We would miss Sheldon, Leonard, Howard, Raj, and Penny...

[Viennacon]

Yet another theory that will no doubt be knocked down by other physicists within 2 months. These things pop up more than Japanese porn sites on an unsecure computer. Loop quantum gravity models, oscillating models, etc.

It seems to be a contest to see who can come up with the most bizarre way of refuting an absolute beginning to the universe. A four dimensional star collapsing? What is this, Twilight Zone?

[Personal Responsibility]

Nothing comes from nothing...ever

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If you believe evolution then:

Rocks + heat + billions of years = humans

Something from nothing, if you believe evolution

[MeshugeMikey]

Gas+Billions of Years= The Democrat Party

[JSteff]

Nothing causes nothing to come into existence. Causeless effects?

And yet no energy or matter Law of Conservation of Energy points to neither being destroyed.. nor created. They can only be transformed from one state to another.

So maybe the black hole idea is not too far fetched and should be more carefully investigated before being dismissed as "bunk" opr junk or what ever you called it.

People spent time in prison or excommunicated for odd ball thoughts like the universe does not revolve around the earth... silly huh?

[Tanniker Smith]

But I thought the science was settled and there was consensus?

[TheDon]

Humans obviously weren't around at the time the universe began.

And God's not talking...

[TBP]

Interesting.

[Gandalf_The_Gray]

Where did the four-dimensional star and the black hole come from?

From the collapse of the five dimensional star?

Just like the Hindu model of the cosmos, the universe is a sphere riding on the back of a giant tortoise. Which in turn is riding on the back of a still larger tortoise, and so on ad infinitum.

Like the old guru said, "it's tortoises all the way to the bottom!"

Regards,
GtG

PS The large fleas have smaller fleas upon their backs to bitem.
     The smaller fleas, still smaller fleas and so ad infinitum.

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

in the so called natural world...Nothing comes from nothing...ever

Not if nothing is something. Matter and antimatter react by being something dissolving into "nothing." So what is the nothing made of?

[MeshugeMikey]

no thing

[SunkenCiv]

Nice pix! Thanks LibWhacker.

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[TheOldLady]

I do too, but it was a science fiction story. Been a long time, and I forget which one.