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Vanity: Disappointed in Cheney

Posted on 06/16/2013 11:38:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55

After watching former Vice President Dick Cheney I'm very disappointed.

He defended the NSA Surveillance Program by saying he started it in 2004.

But what Cheney fails to realize is.. he and George W. Bush are NOT in office anymore.

Whatever the program was, when he was in charge has been CHANGED and EXPANDED.

Obama is now in charge and Cheney is out of the national security loop. How can he defend this program?

I love Dick Cheney but this is beyond the pale!


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To: ConservativeMan55
But as long as you have the program.. there’s a chance it will be misused. Are you willing to sacrifice liberty for freedom?

I believe that is the compromise we make to live in a civilized world: we curb a little of our freedom to live in liberty.
I don't believe it is possible to sacrifice liberty for freedom.

61 posted on 06/16/2013 12:31:11 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: InterceptPoint

The danger is from within. Certainly the external threat exists, but if we have to have an all-out war with Islam & level every mosque in the world, then we can do it.

Our constitutional Republic is gasping on life support, & Obama & other traitors intend to end it. Stopping these mechanisms for spying on us will help to stop HIM & those with the same goal.


62 posted on 06/16/2013 12:37:58 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: ConservativeMan55

He has always been a CFR weasel, but only admitted it to his constituents when he no longer represented the district in Wyoming.

We should be sick to the point of puking our guts out over those Republicrats we thought were Conservatives.

If the Tea Party isn’t going to take the lead in defeating this monstrous evil government then it’s got to be the OATH TAKERS!


63 posted on 06/16/2013 12:44:54 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Twotone
Our constitutional Republic is gasping on life support, & Obama & other traitors intend to end it. Stopping these mechanisms for spying on us will help to stop HIM & those with the same goal.

OK. So we end the PRISM Program to limit what Obama could do with the phone and e-mail data.

Question: What evidence do we have that Obama has done anything with that data. He could. But has he?

More importantly consider the fact that you are giving up a major weapon that is in place primarly (IMHO) to help prevent a really massive attack on the U.S. That would be an attack with one or more smuggled in nuclear, biological or chemical weapons. Al Qaeda could have their hands on at least biological or chemical weapons right now. And given our (Obama's) help for the Al Qaeda forces in Syria the likelihood of that organization having them in the future increases every day.

We are talking deaths in the tens of thousands of Americans if they succeed. And there is no doubt about the goals of Al Qaeda and their associates. Killing Americans is their number one goal.

That's the tradeoff. Be careful what you ask for. Obama is wrong. The War on Terror is not over. It's just getting warmed up.

64 posted on 06/16/2013 12:53:21 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: metafugitive

Simpson’s father was a Wyoming-born Senator and Governor of the state. I don’t know how Alan Simpson happened to be born in Denver. From what I can tell the family was living in Cody at the time. It’s not like he moved there as an adult just to run for office. Cheney’s family moved to Wyoming some time before he started high school from what I can find out online.


65 posted on 06/16/2013 1:10:44 PM PDT by x
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To: ConservativeMan55
This link should dispel any lingering doubts about Cheney's true loyalties. He's a CFR man first:

Remarks by the Vice President to the Council on Foreign Relations

THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thank you. Thank you very much. Well, Les and Pete, I want to thank you all for the warm welcome today. I see a lot of old friends in the room. And it's good to be back at the Council on Foreign Relations. As Pete mentioned, I have been a member for a long time, and was actually Director for some period of time. I never mentioned that when I was campaigning for reelection back home in Wyoming -- (laughter)

66 posted on 06/16/2013 1:12:25 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: InterceptPoint

This is accepting a surveillance state. Yes, we have a threat. But there are other ways to counter it besides let this country slide into a police state.

Perhaps the story is apocryphal, but you’ve no doubt heard how Black Jack Pershing stopped jihadi activity in the Philipines. We can do something similar - identify the top 10 religious icons in Islam & state we will destroy them if another jihadi event occurs. The next event, ten goes down. Another, we hit nine, etc. Mecca on top. Pass a bill with total approval in the House & Senate & signed by the president. Let them know we will not take it anymore and follow through. We will destroy Islam if they persist.

We have to stop fighting them on their terms and we have to stop giving up liberty for what we know is very incomplete security. Whether it was NSA’s fault or the FBI’s, it didn’t get done & we should never assume ourselves secure in any case.

I’m fatalistic about that nuke possibility. Everyone in San Francisco knows there will be another earthquake. They still live there.


67 posted on 06/16/2013 1:12:36 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Cheney is dead wrong. The NSA program is here NOW...and we still didn't stop the Boston Bombing, despite MASSIVE prior intelligence on the terrorists. And we still didn't stop the Ft. Hood massacre despite well-known connections of Nidal Hasan to Anwar al-Awlaki.

Clinton's team knew at least 8 times where Bid Laden was and failed to kill him.

Did Karl Rove and Grover Norquist - who were working with the Muslim Brotherhood in 2000-2001 influence Bush officials to take their foot off the gas pedal in pursuing radical Muslims? (Norquist pushed Bush to support the dropping of so-called "secret evidence" used against Muslims - the top objective of CAIR).

"Data" means nothing when you have decision makers who are either incompetent (Clinton officials), corrupted by Wahhabists (Bush officials), or both (Obama).

68 posted on 06/16/2013 1:14:04 PM PDT by montag813
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To: ConservativeMan55
Cheney is dead wrong. The NSA program is here NOW...and we still didn't stop the Boston Bombing, despite MASSIVE prior intelligence on the terrorists. And we still didn't stop the Ft. Hood massacre despite well-known connections of Nidal Hasan to Anwar al-Awlaki.

Clinton's team knew at least 8 times where Bid Laden was and failed to kill him.

Did Karl Rove and Grover Norquist - who were working with the Muslim Brotherhood in 2000-2001 influence Bush officials to take their foot off the gas pedal in pursuing radical Muslims? (Norquist pushed Bush to support the dropping of so-called "secret evidence" used against Muslims - the top objective of CAIR).

"Data" means nothing when you have decision makers who are either incompetent (Clinton officials), corrupted by Wahhabists (Bush officials), or both (Obama).

69 posted on 06/16/2013 1:14:04 PM PDT by montag813
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To: ConservativeMan55
What do you expect from the guy who cancelled the F-14 Tomcat.
70 posted on 06/16/2013 1:23:38 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: ConservativeMan55; mickie; flaglady47; seekthetruth
Wife Lynne and daughter Liz better take the old guy in hand. Read him the riot act....and get him interested in gardening or something at home like writing his memoirs.....and for sure keep him on a leash when he gets the urge to pontificate on TV or anywhere else.

Why do so many pols retire in honor and glory....and then they can't resist putting foot in mouth every chance they get....and poof!.....there goes that hard-earned legacy.

Leni

71 posted on 06/16/2013 1:24:25 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: ConservativeMan55

This garbage is how far the once Republican party of Reagan has dropped to the Rino Party of McCain and the fool from South Carolina and many, many, many others that play under the Republican banner. I don’t trust any of them. Neither party. Not one of them. NONE!


72 posted on 06/16/2013 1:25:59 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
It's WHAT the NSA is going to DO with ALL that INFO that is STORED...FOREVER!! EVERY Republican who is EVER going to RUn for Office will have EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING Known about him and whatever little thing there is will be EXPOSED and POUNCED on by the left.

Getting ALL this INFO is only the BEGINNING.....just WATCH how it's USED AGAINST the RIGHT!!

73 posted on 06/16/2013 1:32:34 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

bttt


74 posted on 06/16/2013 2:08:56 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

cheney is being a tool for the fly-infested one,

i wonder why? no way the chicago thug machine would ever watch cheneys back, or run interference,


75 posted on 06/16/2013 2:20:09 PM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: ConservativeMan55
He defended the NSA Surveillance Program by saying he started it in 2004.
Put another way:
He defended the NSA Surveillance Program by saying because he started it in 2004.

Anyway since his uncalled for comments about Sara Palin he's dead to me now. It's too bad too, I used to really respect him. It just goes to show you, you have to be careful to whom you swear your allegiance.

76 posted on 06/16/2013 3:19:20 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The big revelation -- and some people are a little slow in coming to this -- is that the Political Establishment is the Political Establishment.

I only began to realize that when Bush began to push hard late in his second term for illegal immigration amnesty. It opened my eyes.

I still think he's an honorable man, but I look back on my support for him through No Child Left Behind and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security and just shake my head at my stupidity.

77 posted on 06/16/2013 3:29:50 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Don't try to explain yourself to liberals; you're not the jackass-whisperer.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

A lot of GOP are Big Government Liberals......so many are quick to attack Snowden....and not Obama....the one who ordered the spying

Snowden or Obama.....


78 posted on 06/16/2013 4:56:25 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: ConservativeMan55

He’s always been a creep.


79 posted on 06/16/2013 4:58:08 PM PDT by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: RetiredArmy

And let’s not forget that the director of the NSA in the Bush Adminstration, General Michael Hayden went much farther than Dick Cheney. General Hayden PRAISED the Obama administration’s handling of NSA surveillance.
Gen. Michael Hayden, former National Security Agency Director under George W. Bush, praised the Obama administration’s transparency regarding the NSA’s surveillance of phone records.
“The Obama administration was more transparent .. than we were in the Bush administration,” Hayden told CNN’s Jake Tapper on Wednesday. “They made this metadata collection activity available to all the members of Congress, not just all the members of the intelligence committees.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/george-w-bushs-nsa-director-michael-hayden-praises-obama-92686.html#ixzz2WQdVRdji


80 posted on 06/16/2013 5:29:28 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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