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1 posted on 06/14/2013 9:19:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Not in the new America that Obama is crafting.Every baby born means another unemployed person.Or another welfare leech.


2 posted on 06/14/2013 9:22:16 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: SeekAndFind

Except that respect for marriage and family appears to have gone totally out the window with the current young childbearing generation. Forcing you to consider what those children would be consigned to.


3 posted on 06/14/2013 9:25:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, just imagine what the 50,000,000 plus since Roe v. Wade could have done...


...crickets....

4 posted on 06/14/2013 9:29:35 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: SeekAndFind

More children to be greedily sought after by the perverts in the scouts and school systems?

Right.


5 posted on 06/14/2013 9:30:32 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Practice practice practice. Then, when the day comes, you will be ready to conduct the fertility part of the exercise.


6 posted on 06/14/2013 9:33:47 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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"All of this means that fetus-phobic countries face economic irrelevance, and when they add the additional toxin of socialism, the path to oblivion becomes even steeper and more slippery. One of the things which makes it so slippery is that the road down into the pit looks, for a while at least, like the path to prosperity. By the time all of those nations of dual-earners-one-kid realize that they’re about to become nations of dual-pensioners-one-earner, it’s already too late."

Oh, but the so-called "progressives," who in the late 1800's and later self identified as "liberals" (but not as in "classic liberals"), do not warn about the unintended consequences of their methods of limiting population.

Back in February of 2012, Freeper livius posted a telling statement on this subject: "This is worse than before. What we are now being forced to pay for is essentially a government funded and (as yet) indirectly government administered population control program."

My response then was that writers have been exposing socialism's tyrannical principles and goals for a century now. Those who have understood it best declared that its policies lead to tyranny and oppression.

Yet, we have arrogant Americans, born in liberty, and viewing themselves as "intellectuals" and "progressives," who have embraced socialist ideas over the ideas of liberty and are determined to impose its deadly limitations on a once-free people. Note the writer's warning that the "scheme of socialism is wholly incomplete unless it includes the power of restraining the increase of population."

Note the following:

From the Liberty Fund Library is "A Plea for Liberty: An Argument Against Socialism and Socialistic Legislation," edited by Thomas Mackay (1849 - 1912), originally published in 1891, Chapter 1, excerpted final paragraphs from Edward Stanley Robertson's essay:

"I have suggested that the scheme of Socialism is wholly incomplete unless it includes a power of restraining the increase of population, which power is so unwelcome to Englishmen that the very mention of it seems to require an apology. I have showed that in France, where restraints on multiplication have been adopted into the popular code of morals, there is discontent on the one hand at the slow rate of increase, while on the other, there is still a 'proletariat,' and Socialism is still a power in politics.
I.44
"I have put the question, how Socialism would treat the residuum of the working class and of all classes—the class, not specially vicious, nor even necessarily idle, but below the average in power of will and in steadiness of purpose. I have intimated that such persons, if they belong to the upper or middle classes, are kept straight by the fear of falling out of class, and in the working class by positive fear of want. But since Socialism purposes to eliminate the fear of want, and since under Socialism the hierarchy of classes will either not exist at all or be wholly transformed, there remains for such persons no motive at all except physical coercion. Are we to imprison or flog all the 'ne'er-do-wells'?
I.45
"I began this paper by pointing out that there are inequalities and anomalies in the material world, some of which, like the obliquity of the ecliptic and the consequent inequality of the day's length, cannot be redressed at all. Others, like the caprices of sunshine and rainfall in different climates, can be mitigated, but must on the whole be endured. I am very far from asserting that the inequalities and anomalies of human society are strictly parallel with those of material nature. I fully admit that we are under an obligation to control nature so far as we can. But I think I have shown that the Socialist scheme cannot be relied upon to control nature, because it refuses to obey her. Socialism attempts to vanquish nature by a front attack. Individualism, on the contrary, is the recognition, in social politics, that nature has a beneficent as well as a malignant side. The struggle for life provides for the various wants of the human race, in somewhat the same way as the climatic struggle of the elements provides for vegetable and animal life—imperfectly, that is, and in a manner strongly marked by inequalities and anomalies. By taking advantage of prevalent tendencies, it is possible to mitigate these anomalies and inequalities, but all experience shows that it is impossible to do away with them. All history, moreover, is the record of the triumph of Individualism over something which was virtually Socialism or Collectivism, though not called by that name. In early days, and even at this day under archaic civilisations, the note of social life is the absence of freedom. But under every progressive civilisation, freedom has made decisive strides—broadened down, as the poet says, from precedent to precedent. And it has been rightly and naturally so.
I.46
"Freedom is the most valuable of all human possessions, next after life itself. It is more valuable, in a manner, than even health. No human agency can secure health; but good laws, justly administered, can and do secure freedom. Freedom, indeed, is almost the only thing that law can secure. Law cannot secure equality, nor can it secure prosperity. In the direction of equality, all that law can do is to secure fair play, which is equality of rights but is not equality of conditions. In the direction of prosperity, all that law can do is to keep the road open. That is the Quintessence of Individualism, and it may fairly challenge comparison with that Quintessence of Socialism we have been discussing. Socialism, disguise it how we may, is the negation of Freedom. That it is so, and that it is also a scheme not capable of producing even material comfort in exchange for the abnegations of Freedom, I think the foregoing considerations amply prove."
EDWARD STANLEY ROBERTSON

7 posted on 06/14/2013 9:36:35 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: SeekAndFind

Holy correlation batman!

Did the author of the article even look at some of the graphs he put together before publishing them? They aren’t even legible . . .


9 posted on 06/14/2013 9:39:44 AM PDT by ruiner
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Here are the future "All-American families."


10 posted on 06/14/2013 9:41:12 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Saying that having more babies makes the GDP go up is stupid. For one, correlation is not causation.


11 posted on 06/14/2013 9:51:10 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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We do need more children, but who would want to raise a kid in modern America. Queer scouts. Commie professors. I’d feel more comfortable raising a child in Lebanon.


12 posted on 06/14/2013 10:05:30 AM PDT by Viennacon (b)
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Even if you increase output per person, but decrease the number of persons, you are likely to have stagnant or even shrinking output. Don’t believe me, ask Japan. The world can, and does, have fertility recessions.

So what is overall output is shrinking due to population. What matters to economic well being is pre-capita output and actually Japan has experienced pre-capita growth comparable to the US even during the "lost decade".

All those graphs are tautologies because by the author's own words more people = higher output but that does not tell the story about what is happening to per-capita GDP.

13 posted on 06/14/2013 10:10:05 AM PDT by C19fan
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UH,....I think it matters whether those babies are born into freedom loving and respectful families....or slave like families...ie, Christian vs. Islamist


14 posted on 06/14/2013 10:18:39 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t be silly, Mr. Boyle! Everyone knows that whining, scapegoating, and fearmongering cause economic growth!


16 posted on 06/14/2013 10:31:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick (It's a caaaaaaaat!)
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Depends on the kind of baby.

The kids of underclass women will tend to grow up to be unproductive tax-consuming underclass. The kids of middle-class people will tend to grow up to be productive, tax-paying middle-class.

Economic prosperity depends on convincing middle-class women to have more kids, and underclass women to have fewer kids.


18 posted on 06/14/2013 11:35:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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Mostly, I agree, but it depends on what they’re taught. These days, more and more are becoming wards of the State and vote for some or all of their livelihood. These people are net costs to the nation and society.

That said, most do not. That is why I think abortion has reached a state where is no longer “just” a moral issue, but a National Security Issue. We’re missing ~52 million taxpayers and, boy, are we feeling it.


19 posted on 06/14/2013 11:49:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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Bttt


20 posted on 06/14/2013 11:55:00 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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It wasn't until recently, and after reading “Boom Bust and Echo” that I really appreciated the power of demographics. From a simple point of view, you can't prosper as a country if your non-working class (retired) is growing and your productive class (workers) is shrinking. Or even more simply put, someone has to be born to be around to wash the backs, to serve the pizzas, to clean the bathrooms, to produce the goods that the older generation demands.
21 posted on 06/14/2013 1:08:19 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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