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Woods Penalized but Can Still Play
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Posted on 04/13/2013 10:20:07 AM PDT by Perdogg

Tiger Woods was three strokes off the lead in the Masters when he completed the second round at Augusta National Golf Club on Friday. But he began his third round five strokes behind the leader Jason Day after being assessed a two-stroke penalty on Saturday for an illegal drop on the 15th hole of the second round.

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KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; drugs; golf; hgh; magicnegro; masters; steroids; tigerwoods
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He should have been DQed.
1 posted on 04/13/2013 10:20:07 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

The money just keeps rolling in.....


2 posted on 04/13/2013 10:21:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Perdogg

Affirmative action golf?


3 posted on 04/13/2013 10:23:38 AM PDT by ransacked
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To: Perdogg

They had to meet first with Woods to ask permission to penalize him. That’s why the decision was only announced this morning.


4 posted on 04/13/2013 10:30:21 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Perdogg
He should have been DQed.

If he was a man, he would DQ himself.

5 posted on 04/13/2013 10:32:03 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: Perdogg

What’s an “illegal drop”? I’m new to bowling.


6 posted on 04/13/2013 10:35:57 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Perdogg

Bobby Jones is spinning in his grave.


7 posted on 04/13/2013 10:36:37 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Perdogg

Does this mean Roberto de Vicenzo gets a green jacket?

If there is a penalty, then he signed an incorrect scorecard. He’s disqualified.

PERIOD.


8 posted on 04/13/2013 10:37:49 AM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: JohnG45

Tiger admitted that he backed it up a couple of yards so he could hit it better. He backed it up to get an advantage. No way he shouldn’t be disqualified.


9 posted on 04/13/2013 10:38:35 AM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: JohnG45
Agree, but Eldrick is a cheater on and off the golf course-adultery and PEDs. He’s in the same category as Lance Armstrong. None of his wins mean anything. He’s enough of a head case that I don’t think he has enough left to break Nicklaus’ majors record. And even if he does, Jack will still be the greatest of all time.
10 posted on 04/13/2013 10:40:10 AM PDT by twister881
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To: Perdogg; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

11 posted on 04/13/2013 10:42:42 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Perdogg

Officials are explaining it all right now. They have the last word.


12 posted on 04/13/2013 10:45:54 AM PDT by equaviator (It's a black thing and you wouldn't understand.)
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To: John Valentine

The rules say that in his situation, he was supposed to drop “as near as possible” to his original divot. He admitted that the area was too wet and he dropped two yards back. This establishes that he intended to use the drop to gain a better lie.


13 posted on 04/13/2013 10:46:05 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: ransacked

Affirmative action golf?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Actually, I’m waiting for the Liberal angle here saying that the only players penalized in this year’s Masters, run by lily-white racists, were against non-whites.

Wait for it - it will come from somewhere. It will get some legs. And it won’t go away anytime soon.


14 posted on 04/13/2013 10:50:51 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Perdogg

Why so gentle? Let’s have him strung up and flayed alive, after all he hasn’t been so good in his personal life.


15 posted on 04/13/2013 10:55:15 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Perdogg; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Perdogg.
...began his third round five strokes behind the leader Jason Day after being assessed a two-stroke penalty on Saturday for an illegal drop on the 15th hole of the second round.

16 posted on 04/13/2013 10:57:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: equaviator

They may have the last official word, but I tend to believe that if Tiger remains in the tournament he will eventually come to regret it. This will be discussed for years.

It’s a shame I have no respect I could lose for Tiger.


17 posted on 04/13/2013 10:57:26 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

Not to mention the weasels that run the Masters. To think this was the same bunch that ten years ago had the innards to defy the NY Times.

Now just PC trash like a bunch of others.


18 posted on 04/13/2013 11:00:29 AM PDT by abb
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To: Perdogg
The Great Black Hope, and a symbol of the white-trophy-wife-seeking black man's mentality overall, will NEVER be required to live by ANY rules (it's "Racist" to challenge the preferrential treatment, you know).

Remember when about 6 goons moved a giant boulder, behind which his ball was sitting, and it was called "a loose impediment" under The Rules, and he was cleared to shoot without the boulder in the way?

He may be a good golfer, but he's no Champion of the Sport like the top golfers who played by the rules, and won anyway, like Nicklaus, Palmer, Player, etc.

19 posted on 04/13/2013 11:01:18 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Perdogg
He should have been DQed <<

Yes he should have been....but Comrade “Rulescommittee” changed the sacred Rules of golf for the benefit of Big Media Golf....
It's a classic example of the current 2nd Amendment debate....(rule of law vs. rule of men...)for the good of the people of course!...../s

Its ironic that the “founding father” of Augusta National, Bobby Jones, understood the integrity of the rules of golf and penalized himself to honor the integrity of the rules/laws http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jones_(golfer)

IMHO....Tiger should have DQ’d himself...if the rules of golf or the 2nd amendment can be changed for “the good of the people" or "the peoples own good” we eventually end with anarchy
the golf analogy is just a micro view of the bigger picture of the current attack on our Constitution.....

That's my opinion...I welcome yours...

20 posted on 04/13/2013 11:04:52 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Perdogg

“...he purposely dropped the ball ...” seems like he is doing that a lot lately with various women...


21 posted on 04/13/2013 11:05:40 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: abb

Oh no doubt. If Tiger had white skin they wouldn’t hesitate to DQ him. Their moral weakness has tarnished the tournament. This is how you begin to tear down an institution.


22 posted on 04/13/2013 11:08:52 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: fhayek

The drop should have been supervised by an official right then and there on the spot. The rules of golf don’t necessarily enforce themselves. Perhaps officials were derelict in their duty to not be on top of the situation in real time. They had to be alerted by some TV viewer well after the fact so, shame on them!

Calls for Tiger to “fall on his sword” seem to be out of some need to see him hurt himself rather than for him to be honorable, which he is anyway.

None of his professional gains have ever been ill-gotten, so what’s the problem? It’s not like he failed a drug test or something...Or is that only excusable when it’s Rush Limbaugh, hmmmm...and don’t get me wrong, I dig Rush like a miner loves gold.


23 posted on 04/13/2013 11:11:38 AM PDT by equaviator
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To: traditional1

Tiger Woods....the Mike Tyson of Golf.....


24 posted on 04/13/2013 11:11:58 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: John Valentine
What’s an “illegal drop”? I’m new to bowling.

Here is a perfect "illegal drop".


25 posted on 04/13/2013 11:13:31 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: USS Alaska

Chuckle...


26 posted on 04/13/2013 11:18:42 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: .45 Long Colt
They may have the last official word, but I tend to believe that if Tiger remains in the tournament he will eventually come to regret it. This will be discussed for years.

If he wins this thing his victory will be tainted and we all know what "taint" is.

27 posted on 04/13/2013 11:18:56 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: .45 Long Colt

From David Duval—

@david59duval: There is some leeway with the signing the incorrect card. Not with intentionally not dropping as near as possible.

@david59duval: I think he should WD. He took a drop to gain an advantage.

I’m with Duval. Tiger has really diminished himself by remaining in the tournament.


28 posted on 04/13/2013 11:20:02 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Perdogg

They kept him in for TV ratings. IF he had been canned, as he should have, he admitted basically he cheated, the ratings would have gone in the dump. It is important to golf that he plays and is in the tournaments or poor ratings.


29 posted on 04/13/2013 11:20:34 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: Perdogg

There are 2 distinct issues here related to DQ:
1: is knowingly violating the rules, which Nick Faldo and others think he did.
2: signing an incorrect scorecard.

As to 1, this could be valid.

But as to item 2, if you think he should be DQ’d for that, then you are agreeing that you should go to jail for filing a bad tax return, EVEN if you got your ruling from an IRS agent ahead of time. Think about the analogy. He though the ruling was that his drop was okay when he signed the card. I am amazed that so called conservatives would automatically roll to the bureaucratic side on this one.


30 posted on 04/13/2013 11:20:58 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: equaviator
for him to be honorable, which he is anyway <<...Ask his 1st wife...
None of his professional gains have ever been ill-gotten<<...Tell that to the golfers that watched 6 goons move a huge rock for his advantage.....loose impediment my a$$!
31 posted on 04/13/2013 11:22:15 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: .45 Long Colt

Duval is basically saying what I said. With regard to the scorecard signing, that is an archaic rule that goes back to the days when golfers where often alone and unseen, even for long stretches, during competition. It’s like having the city of Chicago keeping a union horeshoer on staff.....ridiculous in light of modernity. And golf has addressed that with a new rule softening the scorecard penalty.

As for the drop itself...another thing altogether. But the scorecard issue is absurd today.


32 posted on 04/13/2013 11:23:05 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Perdogg

Jim Nantz must have got down on his knees and begged Augusta National to appease the network.

The Masters just fell below the John Deere Classic as far as my golf viewership on TV.


33 posted on 04/13/2013 11:24:02 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Well stated.

You should consider writing as a vocation. :)

34 posted on 04/13/2013 11:27:24 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: Perdogg

Disgusting.


35 posted on 04/13/2013 11:29:34 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: fhayek

I believe he referred to the drop area as being too wet.

It appeared to me that with the fairway sloping towards the pond from his original lay, he would be justified in dropping the ball slightlu uphill, so that when the ball stopped rolling from the drop, it would not be any closer to the green than his original lay/lie(?).

It didn’t appear to me to be 2 yards behind his original divot, but about 2-3 feet, .. ie a club length, and on that fairway, I wouldn’t call him for trying to get a better lay than allowed by the rules.

FWIW, by looking at the replay, he was using his club to move dirt and twigs/debris from around his striking area, which is considered grounding his club. Usually, as a matter of habit, that is only done by hand and not using his club as a rake.


36 posted on 04/13/2013 11:30:56 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
"I was unaware at that time I had violated any rules. I didn't know I had taken an incorrect drop prior to signing my scorecard," Woods tweeted.

Compare Tigers response with this teenagers:

"I knew right away I couldn't live with myself if I kept this medal, so it was pretty instantaneous," Nash said

http://journaltimes.com/news/local/milwaukee-young-golfer-disqualifies-self-gives-up-medal/article_a1a91248-b627-11df-bf05-001cc4c002e0.html

37 posted on 04/13/2013 11:31:43 AM PDT by TaxPayer2000
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To: Perdogg

That’s racist...


38 posted on 04/13/2013 11:33:33 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts help hold the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Cvengr

You obviously know the rules, and know golf - more than I can say for many commenters on this thread. People go popping off half cocked, don’t know the rules or the nuances of what really happened, and then wonder why outsiders call FR racist, hateful, etc. I’m no Tiger fan positive or negative particularly, but ignorance combined with arrogance is offputting on any topic.


39 posted on 04/13/2013 11:33:52 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Totally different situations, but thank you for demonstrating your lack of understanding of the rules of the game with the faux analogy.


40 posted on 04/13/2013 11:35:27 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Perdogg

If he signed the card with the wrong score, the rule is clear. It is a DQ.

If Tiger goes on to have the lowest score, there could be one interesting lawsuit filed by the “runner-up.”


41 posted on 04/13/2013 11:37:56 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Totally different situations, but thank you for demonstrating your lack of understanding of the rules of the game with the faux analogy.

Both players unknowingly signed an incorrect scorecard. So please explain to me with your vast knowledge of the game how these situations are different?

42 posted on 04/13/2013 11:39:26 AM PDT by TaxPayer2000
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To: C. Edmund Wright

13-2. Improving Lie, Area of Intended Stance or Swing, or Line of Play

A player must not improve or allow to be improved:

the position or lie of his ball,
the area of his intended stance or swing,

After Tiger made his drop, he not only was improving the area of swing, he also was using his club to do it. One interpretation says his ball was in the water hazard, prohibiting the action. A more forgiving interpretation is that his already suffered the stroke and distance penalty and was improving the swing area of his new ball lie.


43 posted on 04/13/2013 11:40:24 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Triple
If he signed the card with the wrong score, the rule is clear. It is a DQ.

Yes, the NEW rule this year IS clear - that a wrongful scorecard is NO LONGER an automatic DQ. Let me repeat, a wrong scorecard is NO LONGER an automatic DQ. When is it NOT a DQ? It is not a DQ in just this kind of situation, when a ruling is not known by the golfer when he signs his card. In other words, for JUST THIS EXACT SITUATION!!!!!!!!!

This scorecard signing is an outdated rule anyway, going back way before golfers were observed during competition.

44 posted on 04/13/2013 11:41:53 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: equaviator

Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test either.


45 posted on 04/13/2013 11:43:15 AM PDT by Newtoidaho
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To: TaxPayer2000

Too many clubs, in your bag, for all 18 holes, is not something that is depdendent on a rules review. It is far more cut and dried rule. Having a 15th club can be a huge advantage, though I have no idea if this kid used all 15 or not.

As for the drop, Tiger did get an additional 2 stroke penalty for that. But he was under the impression that the rules committee had okayed his drop interpretation. They ruled differently about the time he finished his round, but had not told him yet when he signed his card. It is not incumbent on players to know that the rules committee have ruled against them.

In fact, the new rule, 33-7, was put in place this year for just this situation, to soften the outdated signing rule under certain circumstances....like THIS one.


46 posted on 04/13/2013 11:47:26 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Cvengr

Which, actually, is not either of the rules they cited. This was ruled under section 26, and the card mitigated under 33.


47 posted on 04/13/2013 11:48:13 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: .45 Long Colt
for Thread Highlight Reel:

             It’s a shame I have no respect I could lose for Tiger.

48 posted on 04/13/2013 11:51:13 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Perdogg

This is a simple isssue. He broke a rule. It was well-documented by videotape and by his own admission when in a post round interview he stated he moved the ball back by 2 yds. His ignorance of his breaking the rule at the time of the transgression and when he signed his card is irrelevant. He should be DQ’d. But he cheats in all aspects of his life, so his remaining in the tournament is par for the course. Pun intended.


49 posted on 04/13/2013 11:52:11 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: C. Edmund Wright

http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Rule-06/
From USGA.org

6-6. Scoring In Stroke Play
a. Recording Scores
After each hole the marker should check the score with the competitor and record it. On completion of the round the marker must sign the score card and hand it to the competitor. If more than one marker records the scores, each must sign for the part for which he is responsible.

b. Signing and Returning Score Card
After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee. He must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 6-6b:

Disqualification.

c. Alteration of Score Card
No alteration may be made on a score card after the competitor has returned it to the Committee.

d. Wrong Score for Hole
The competitor is responsible for the correctness of the score recorded for each hole on his score card. If he returns a score for any hole lower than actually taken, he is disqualified. If he returns a score for any hole higher than actually taken, the score as returned stands.

Note 1: The Committee is responsible for the addition of scores and application of the handicap recorded on the score card – see Rule 33-5.

Note 2: In four-ball stroke play, see also Rules 31-3 and 31-7a.


I see no decisions that impact this point either. Can you post your rule or decision from an authoritative source? (The real rules are in the decisions.)


50 posted on 04/13/2013 11:56:55 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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