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Is Tiger Woods facing disqualification at Masters?
CBS Sports ^ | 4-12-13 | Kyle Porter

Posted on 04/12/2013 11:09:13 PM PDT by FlJoePa

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He should just DQ himself.
1 posted on 04/12/2013 11:09:13 PM PDT by FlJoePa
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To: FlJoePa

Did Tiger Woods’ actions after he drenched his third shot on No. 15 Friday at Augusta result in him signing an incorrect scorecard, which would result in his automatic disqualification from the Masters?


He’s BLACK.. black President, black Attorney general, massive black voter fraud...
SLAP SLAP... try to keep up... he could rape a woman in the gallery and get away with it.. OR A MAN!..


2 posted on 04/12/2013 11:43:51 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: FlJoePa

I think blacks are exempt from the rules. They did penalize the Asian 8th grader for timing out during his turn and Woods is half Asian, so.. Tough call.


3 posted on 04/12/2013 11:53:53 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: FlJoePa

CBS needs Tiger in the hunt.

No way the PGA DQ’s the man that is responsible for 60% of the ratings.


4 posted on 04/13/2013 2:20:15 AM PDT by OKRA2012
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To: FlJoePa

Did the refs ever call Michael Jordan for walking?


5 posted on 04/13/2013 3:24:07 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: OKRA2012
If he broke the rule....he broke the rule....

Oh wait....he just played with Obama...

A presidential pardon, you say??

6 posted on 04/13/2013 4:07:20 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: FlJoePa
We all know....It's all about the money....

Any class except for baseball is pretty well gone.

7 posted on 04/13/2013 4:08:36 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

I suggest that high school sports is just about the only reasonably pure athletic competition left today. And, I’m not sure about that.

Human animals will do whatever it takes to finish in the money. Rules are merely obstacles to work around.

There’s too much money/show biz in college and professional sports for it to be otherwise.


8 posted on 04/13/2013 4:17:57 AM PDT by abb
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To: Sacajaweau

For example, the story came out yesterday about Tyrann Mathieu (aka Honey Badger) failing “too many to count” drug tests at LSU while he was there.

The story isn’t that he was a doper. The story is how in the hell LSU managed to keep it covered up for so long.

After all, he was a money draw, a star, a TV personality.


9 posted on 04/13/2013 4:21:09 AM PDT by abb
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
I think blacks are exempt from the rules. They did penalize the Asian 8th grader for timing out during his turn and Woods is half Asian, so.. Tough call

At the same time that Guan was penalized a stroke for using 50 seconds on his second shot on 17, Tiger was eyeballing a putt for a minute and 32 seconds {but Tiger's group was not out of position}.

Slow play is one reason that I rarely play golf on the weekends.

During the week my foursome can zip around 18 in 3 hours and change, but on the week end that turns into 5 plus hours and our scores go way up because you can't concentrate that long between shots.

10 posted on 04/13/2013 4:30:45 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Any class except for baseball is pretty well gone.

Steroid ball may be the most corrupt sport of all.

11 posted on 04/13/2013 4:41:06 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Sacajaweau

             

12 posted on 04/13/2013 4:45:10 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: FlJoePa

It sounds like golf rules were written by a guy moonlighting from his day job writing IRS regulations.


13 posted on 04/13/2013 4:54:30 AM PDT by stevem
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
“Steroid ball may be the most corrupt sport of all.”

I understand your point, and don't want to get into a ‘this sport vs. that sport’ thing - since they all have problems (not so sure about bowling or Pee-wee golf). However, when I've gone to MLB spring training there still are a lot of normal looking players of average build who don't look like they are juicing. It's a sport in which a skinny guy with good skills and heart can still succeed. When I think of baseball and the ability to be great based on natural ability, hard work, and heart, I think of Ernie Banks.

14 posted on 04/13/2013 5:01:34 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: stevem

“It sounds like golf rules were written by a guy moonlighting from his day job writing IRS regulations.”

Nah. Someone like that would never be able to write with such clarity...


15 posted on 04/13/2013 5:02:29 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Doesn’t mean those guys aren’t juicing for speed getting around on the ball.

People are always surprised when the scrawny, marginal players get caught, but they’d likely not be in the league without the boost.


16 posted on 04/13/2013 5:13:15 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

You may be right, but there have been lots of scrawny guys who could get around on the ball who played during times when steroid use wasn’t common in anything except body building. And, they were also batting against guys who could throw 90+ MPH.

That said you are absolutely correct that the ranks of MLB have had a lot of players in recent years who have clearly been juicing, including many of its biggest stars. Sad.


17 posted on 04/13/2013 5:22:23 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: stevem
It sounds like golf rules were written by a guy moonlighting from his day job writing IRS regulations.

That's what I was thinking. Like the IRS regulations, the rules are written so that selctive enfocement is the name of the game otherwise everyone would be guilty of something. Take the slow-play rule for example. Seems to me that the 14 year old Asian kid was singled out for slow play even though many pros violate the same rule during any given tournament. Golf is supposed to be self-enforcing and if a player violates the slow play rule, but signs his scorecard after failing to penalize himself one stroke for each violation, then he is supposed to disqualify himself. Indeed, if the rule was enforced equally against everyone and not just 14 year old Asians, Jack Nicholas would be a mere footnote in golfing history and pro-gold would be more like NASCAR in that the winner might be the only person still left in the race.

18 posted on 04/13/2013 5:23:15 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: USS Alaska
Slow play is one reason that I rarely play golf on the weekends.

During the week my foursome can zip around 18 in 3 hours and change, but on the week end that turns into 5 plus hours and our scores go way up because you can't concentrate that long between shots.

I absolutely hate slow play. I used to play golf quite frequently; sometimes 2 to 3 times a week for a time until lower back and some other health issues put a stop to my enjoyment of the game. Slow play is awful and yes it ruins concentration and the rhythm of the game. I also preferred walking the course and did whenever possible, preferred to play courses that were walking friendly. I found I played much better; my concentration was much better when walking and carrying my clubs and play was quicker, excepting to having to wait for slow groups in front, plus its great exercise.

And I found that courses that mandated carts and especially ones that were cart path only were incredibly slow. There is nothing worse that standing on the tee watching the group in front of you park their carts along the path, each player taking out a single club and walking to their ball that might be on the other side of the fairway, if they could even find it, watching them look endlessly for a lost ball, then watching one of the players decide he or she picked the wrong club, walk back to the cart to get another club (one should always take several clubs with them, but many don’t), walk back to their ball, then stand and assess their shot for way too long, watching as the first one to take their shot walks back to the cart and waits for everyone else to finish and walk back to the cart before driving the cart forward, rinse and repeat. Ug!

True story. I used to play golf with my husband and usually with other men, usually being the only woman in the foursome. One day we were playing a municipal course that had a very short but difficult par 3 that caused backups. We were waiting behind the tee, waiting for not one but two groups in front of us (all men BTW) on this hole. Another group came up behind us and one of the men, an older man in the group started making very loud grumblings about the slow play and said something to the effect of “These damned women golfers are the reason play is so slow”. And he wasn’t saying it in a way that would make me think he was joking or ribbing me, he was serious.

When our group finally took our shots, I landed my tee shot on the green about 2’ from the pin and after my male playing companions missed the green, landing in a bunker or in the rough and all took bogies+, I putted in for a birdie (I wasn’t all that good of a golfer, decent but not with a single digit handicap FWIW but think I was p!ssed off and really wanted to have a good hole). I shouted back to the grumpy old guy and said, “Was that quick enough for ya sweetie?” “If only there had been three more women like me in my group, you’d have been taking your tee shots 15 minutes ago”.

As my foursome were waiting on the next tee, I could see the par 3 and watched the grumpy old man top his tee shot which dribbled about five feet, then his second which flew over the green into the bunker behind the green. Then I watched him walk back to his cart and slam his clubs into his bag, cursing the whole time. LOL!

When I was in a woman’s golf league and maintaining a USGA handicap, I played by the rules of golf as best as I could; I used to read and study them, kept a USGA rule book in my golf bag and kept an accurate and legal score card, counting every stroke and taking every penalty every time I played, whether it was league play or not but I still played at a good pace. But when I wasn’t playing in a league or maintaining a handicap and playing just for fun and enjoyment, if I was having a really bad round, if I was lagging behind others in my foursome, I would pick up my ball and move forward just to keep up the pace of play. I’d estimate the strokes I realistically thought I would have made and added them to my score card if only for my own purposes. And I used to push my husband to play faster as he was notoriously slow.

19 posted on 04/13/2013 6:03:15 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: FlJoePa

I’m not a fan of Tiger; never have been; never will be. But I think I heard one of the announcers on the re-broadcast mention that the water hazard was being played as a “lateral hazard.”

Aren’t drop rules different for laterals?


20 posted on 04/13/2013 6:05:42 AM PDT by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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To: FlJoePa

Woods needs to hire Louie Freeh to conduct an internal investigation as to what went wrong with the shot and who is to blame, after which he can self-impose penalties on himself of no new balls for two years, and donate 20% of his winnings to the wounded and aging caddy foundation. Then he will be good to go.


21 posted on 04/13/2013 6:22:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: OKRA2012

PGA has nothing to do with The Masters. It’s not a PGA event.


22 posted on 04/13/2013 6:24:27 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: gwjack

Tiger by his own admission broke the rule. He dropped 2 yards from the place he last hit from. He did it to improve the odds on the shot. HE SIGNED AN INCORRECT ACORE.

In this case there is no wiggle room.
( ex rules official)


23 posted on 04/13/2013 6:26:01 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: gwjack

The pond on 15 is in no way a lateral hazard.


24 posted on 04/13/2013 6:27:33 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: FlJoePa

Doesnt the rule say you can put it FARTHER away (but not closer)

I dont read it as saying you must put it at the first possible spot, no matter how difficult that shot would be

It is preety vague on purpose where, the only thing is that you cannot move it closer to the hole, it gives leaway only farther away


25 posted on 04/13/2013 6:29:49 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: FlJoePa
Woods apparently didn't choose "a" because two yards (as he said in his post-round interview) isn't "as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played." Although I admit "as nearly as possible" is incredibly vague so I suppose this is still an option for what Woods did.

If it's an option for what he did then just what the ... are you bloviating about????

26 posted on 04/13/2013 6:34:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Sacajaweau
Any class except for baseball is pretty well gone.
Might wanna re-think that baseball stuff.


27 posted on 04/13/2013 6:35:28 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: BillM

Woods entered the tee box at 15 at 5-under and tied for the lead. He played the hole beautifully, laying up his second shot to around 87 yards. He hit a perfect shot onto the green with a 60-degree wedge, a shot that turned out to be a little too perfect. The ball struck the flag pin and bounced back and into the water hazard. The hazard at 15 is a Red Lateral Hazard, which falls under 26-1c of the 2013-1015 USGA Rules and Decisions.

Tiger had several options for continuing play once his ball got wet. He could play the ball from the hazard, replay the shot from the original position incurring a one-point penalty, or he could take straight line from the hole to where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard and take a drop anywhere behind that point, keeping within that line and incurring a one-point penalty.

In reading the rules it appears that there is a fourth option involving taking a drop on either side of the hazard, taking a drop within two club-lengths of where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard, but there is some confusion as to whether this would be in play at a Red Lateral, or not.

Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/golf/2013/04/13/2013-masters-tiger-woods-may-face-disqualification-for-incorrect-scorecard/#309qbF9pdr7qlOcC.99
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After the round, Woods said: “I went back to where I played it from, but I went 2 yards further back and I took, tried to take 2 yards off the shot of what I felt I hit.’’

http://espn.go.com/golf/masters13/story/_/id/9167178/2013-masters-tiger-woods-faces-possible-dq-ball-drop

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Tiger has basically said and is on record that he went 2 yrds back from the original spot and dropped. That seems like clear intent to not be as close to the orginal spot as possible.


28 posted on 04/13/2013 6:37:05 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport
To use the option related to the point the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard he would have had to determine that point after it kicked off the flagstick.
29 posted on 04/13/2013 6:45:58 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: BillM

You are 100% correct. He played from a wrong place and signed a wrong scorecard. Disqualified.

If Tiger does the right thing and disqualifies himself his standing in the golf world and my own personal opinion would be ‘Bobby Jones like’.

(another ex-rules official)


30 posted on 04/13/2013 7:06:32 AM PDT by 11Bush
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To: BillM

Exactly - and THAT line would be in the woods to his left. The ball most certainly didn’t kick straight backwards towards him. That’s the option he was trying to take, but he effed up point of entry.


31 posted on 04/13/2013 7:08:50 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: 11Bush

Tigger should have been DQ’d. 2 stroke penalty is bs.


32 posted on 04/13/2013 7:10:37 AM PDT by Palio di Siena
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To: Palio di Siena

This is a joke. If he had any class, he’d WD. This will not go over well on that tour. At all.


33 posted on 04/13/2013 7:14:23 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: BillM; Uncle Chip
Lest the shadow of racism hover over our efforts to get to the truth, I consulted Golf Attorney, Algonquin J. Calhoun, Esq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL3nWS1LDIg

Algonquin J. Calhoun, Esq. is the only man who can figure out these difficult situations. I recommend that he be retained immediately by The Tiger.

Tiger has another pal who was a lawyer, a Mr. Obama. Unfortunately, he be disbarred and unable to appear for him in this matter.

34 posted on 04/13/2013 7:16:13 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: FlJoePa

Two stroke penalty only. No disqualification.

http://espn.go.com/golf/masters13/story/_/id/9167230/2013-masters-tiger-penalized-2-strokes-ball-drop-15


35 posted on 04/13/2013 7:21:52 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Mr. K
Doesnt the rule say you can put it FARTHER away (but not closer)

He confused the rule during the heat of the moment. It is where the ball last crossed the hazard line, not where it first crossed the hazard line. After hitting the pin, the ball entered the hazard on the left front of the green. He could of backup as far as he wanted but, likely would have been in the left hand rough.

36 posted on 04/13/2013 7:22:08 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: Colonel_Flagg
"Woods was not disqualified because of a relatively recent rule that allows the rules committee discretion when it comes to violations reported after the fact. Masters officials reviewed the drop on Saturday morning, applying the revision to "Decision 33-7/4.5", which, according to the USGA's website, addresses "the situation where a player is not aware he has breached a Rule because of facts that he did not know and could not reasonably have discovered prior to returning his score card."

I'm not going to comment one or the other, other than to say they probably put this "discretion" rule in place for just this kind of situation....

lol

37 posted on 04/13/2013 7:26:11 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: wolf24

Translation: There are no “rules.”


38 posted on 04/13/2013 7:27:49 AM PDT by abb
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To: wolf24

They could simply call the rule the “star system fudge rule”. Heck, there have been viewers who call in to networks when they see players breaking rules and the PGA takes action.

They didn’t want to throw Tiger Woods out of the Masters. They’d probably do better for themselves in terms of public relations by simply saying what everyone already knows.


39 posted on 04/13/2013 7:28:50 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Bratch

You’ve easy made your point !!!


41 posted on 04/13/2013 7:41:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Augusta National statement on Tiger Woods

April 13, 2013 - 10:40 am
By Chris Gay | Staff Writer

Augusta National Golf Club's statement from Fred Ridley, chairman of the competition committees, on Tiger Woods this morning:

"Yesterday afternoon, the Rules Committee was made aware of a possible Rules violation that involved a drop by Tiger Woods on the 15th hole.

"In preparation for his fifth shot, the player dropped his ball in close proximity to where he had played his third shot in apparent conformance with Rule 26. After being prompted by a television viewer, the Rules Committee reviewed a video of the shot while he was playing the 18th hole. At that moment and based on that evidence, the Committee determined he had complied with the Rules.

"After he signed his scorecard, and in a television interview subsequent to the round, the player stated that he played further from the point than where he had played his third shot. Such action would constitute playing from the wrong place.

"The subsequent information provided by the player's interview after he had completed play warranted further review and discussion with him this morning. After meeting with the player, it was determined that he had violated Rule 26, and he was assessed a two stroke penalty. The penalty of disqualification was waived by the Committee under Rule 33 as the Committee had previously reviewed the information and made its initial determination prior to the finish of the player's round."


42 posted on 04/13/2013 7:49:08 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport; Kenny Bunk

Woods needs to appeal this decision as a violation of his 5th Amendment rights that protect him against double jeopardy and being a witness against himself. Did anyone before that post match interview read him his rights???


43 posted on 04/13/2013 8:02:17 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: deport
At that moment and based on that evidence, the Committee determined he had complied with the Rules.

Then Tiger signed his scorecard.

44 posted on 04/13/2013 8:13:48 AM PDT by noexcuses
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To: noexcuses

Officials said he was allowed to stay in the tournament under a new rule that keeps players from being disqualified based on television evidence.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/woods-penalty-drop-under-review-124339119—golf.html


45 posted on 04/13/2013 8:17:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: deport

Tis statement provides a lot of information that people are ignoring. I originally thought he should be DQ’d but after reading the statement it’s clear they made he right decision and applied the rules properly. Tiger was saved by the “HD Replay” rule.


46 posted on 04/13/2013 8:20:38 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: noexcuses

Exactly. This nullifies the “incorrect scorecard” rule and brings the HD Replay rule into effect.


47 posted on 04/13/2013 8:21:51 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: FlJoePa

No way. He’s worth too much to the fortunes of the PGA.


48 posted on 04/13/2013 8:22:04 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: FlJoePa
He should just DQ himself.

No question this would be the right thing to do.

49 posted on 04/13/2013 8:24:59 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Uncle Chip
Right. The rules committee told him after he got off 18 that they reviewed his drop and it was legal. He signed his scorecard based on that ruling.

I think the 2 stroke penalty is fair - that is what he would have gotten if they told him at 18 that he had incurred a penalty. He would have then dropped the 2 strokes from his score and signed for the -1.

50 posted on 04/13/2013 8:25:02 AM PDT by noexcuses
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