Skip to comments.Beck: I Will Not Send Another One of my Children to College
Posted on 04/11/2013 7:12:13 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
Heard on his radio program today. My close paraphrase: "I will not send another one of my children to college. I don't care if they're a mechanic, even a really bad mechanic that no one goes to. As long as they're not in the system. I know what's coming. And I don't want my children in the system. They can intern for someone, but I don't want them in the system."
His comments were prompted by two things, the new "Core curriculum," and the prevailing Marxist ideology that we're all familiar with.
I told my kids I didn't care if they went. It was up to them. And up to them to pay their own way.
Ironically, my eldest homeschooled daughter wants to teach at a Catholic school, so she needs her "piece of paper," as I described a "worthless education degree" to her. I also told her that if any professor pulls any crap, I told her to tell him off in whatever colorful language she chooses. And I'll back her up 100%.
Better to fight on your feet than on your knees.
I know that Glenn isn't everyone's cup of tea. He has his flaws, as we all do.
But this kind of thing impresses the hell out of me.
I do not agree with him. There are valuable fields such as engineering and medicine where ideology is rarely even on the menu for discussion, and formal training is required. Besides, he shouldn’t raise children who are scared to be confronted by liberals. It will tune their critical thinking and debate skills.
But it’s also not that he’s worried his kids will be indoctrinated.
Even if there’s a field at a college such as engineering or medicine.. all he’s saying is he doesn’t want his money sent to that college while they employ people of other fields who are indoctrinating students.
The problem here in “Conservative Alabama” is the old links of community to school, tradition, and athletics. I like football too but its time to admit that the University of Alabama is more and more like the University of Calcutta with a strong dose of Berkeley and Brandeis thrown in. There is next-to-nothing of the great Southern culture of Alabama being taught there.
The only things conservative in Tuscaloosa are a few student groups.
This whole college degree thing has gotten out of hand. Sure, I can see people who want to be doctors or lawyers needing them but it’s gotten to the point where ever simple job requires a degree in order to advance.
A degree now is what a HS diploma was 40 years ago.
My grandfather only finished the 8th grade but went on to be an engineer for Packard Motors.
Would be cheaper to just send them to China or North Korea, learn all about
Communism much cheaper.
“...so she needs her “piece of paper,” as I described a “worthless education degree” to her...”
One of the really bad decisions of my life was getting a Masters in Education with an endorsement in History (and a total of 18 Grad hours in History) instead of just going for a PhD in History. The higher degree would have only taken a year longer and it would not have been tainted by the College of Education.
In a prep school I was certified to teach history but wound up teaching English and Spanish. To have gained certification in Spanish I would not only have to take lots of Spanish courses (a reasonable requirement) but I would have once again been forced to take College of Education pedagogy courses specific to foreign languages.
The teaching methods course are based on quack junk research. The new methods are not producing good results.
Seriously. Get a doggone education. Go to trade school later.
You have a point with the hard sciences. But even there, is it really necessary? Yes, I know that businesses use degrees as a filter, but isn't it possible to learn engineering on your own?
I went to engineering school, and if I had gone through a modularized, on-line curriculum, I think I could have gained the equivalent knowlege in 2-3 years.
A better system would be to have private certifying agencies, that would certify "professional engineers," etc. They would be incentivized to test skills that employers are interested in, and to make sure that things were on the level. Cheating scandals would put their companies out of business.
People could shop for colleges that had grads who successfully passed these exams. And poor people could pass these tests without even attending college.
This way, people would have an incentive to actually learn rather than punch a clock at a school. Yes, that even happens at engineering school.
Lolz... I think.
And how did that work out???? (Couldn't resist) :-)
I know. My sister went to a teacher college, and I used to skim her books.
I found out that rats don't like to be electrocuted, among other things.
OK, you got me there. ;-)
As a cradle Catholic, I discovered St. Thomas on my own... in my 20s. I wondered, "how come no one I know has heard of this guy?"
How pathetic is that?
I have a degree in mechanical engineering, and am regularly embarrassed by auto mechanics.
Maybe that's why I never worked as an engineer...
As a former college professor I have to disagree with Glenn. First some colleges are worse than others. No I would not not fund 4 four years at Occidental, Columbia, Harvard, USC, Fla Atlantic etc. I also would not make the costly mistake of letting my progeny talk me into paying extra for a Univ out of state. Most of the time its a waste of money.
But there are many good State Universities and are they left leaning? Yes somewhat but if your child has been raised to know whats what then they should be able to tell when they are being zoomed by some professor and either mentally dismiss it and move on or speak up. I challenged a couple of lefty morons during my under grad stint at FSU.
There is no substitute for a well rounded education and thats what you get at a 4 year university. If you want to be in certain careers its a must. If money is no object send your kid to a private christian university.
That being said in the current economic climate and with the Muslim-Marxist entrenched in the Whitehouse for 4 more years I would steer my child to a technical school where they can learn a good skill set and get a good paying job right out of the chute.
If you major in the hard sciences, math, physics engineering, you will get very little politcal BS pandering. Even the most flamming liberal marxist physics teacher can’t alter the laws of physics.
Beck’s kids will probably go to BYU...if they can get in.
It's even less likely when you get adjunct professors who are Air Force officers from the nearby AF graduate school. Occasionally they would be running behind schedule so wouldn't have time to change out of their uniforms for the class. So do I call you major or doctor?
HS Diplomas back then cost less and were worth more. That can’t be said for college today.
My kids can go to college if they choose, but I’m not paying for it.
Alabama ceased being a conservative school decades ago. Auburn is significantly more conservative — the eighth most conservative university in the country according to The Princeton Review behind only the service academies and church founded schools. It and Texas A&M are the only public universities even in the top 10.
That’s very helpful. Someone pointed that out to me recently.
If a widespread, irrational behavior is going on, somewhere, somehow, the government is behind it.
But what if someone successfully passes the Good Housekeeping test of business mastery? Would that run afoul of the law? How would it be different in principle from a Professional Engineer certificate?
He-he! Wasn't Aquinas, too, a little bit Calvinist?
I went to Saint John's College in Annapolis. It's a secular school but we read a great deal of the Bible, Augustine, Aquinas, Dante, Luther, and Calvin -- because knowing them (at least a little) is part of being an educated man in the West.
Thomas Aquinas College (TAC) is influenced by Saint John's but is very much a Catholic School. If it has a flaw it is that some of the faculty are too influenced by a particular school of Thomism. I know some of the faculty and some graduates and they're VERY impressive.
If somebody like Glen wanted a good school but was uneasy about the Catholicism, I'd sure suggest they look into Hillsdale.
As the Progressives gain power, it is not clear how long these places will be able to last. TAC is going to have to find a way to deal with the HHS mandate, for example. These are very dark times for our nation, and a great many academics are adherents of the same child-devouring cults that numbers Progressives among their members.
Well, the brain washing works superbly in North Korea...it blows away to see all those pitiful puppets crying and chanting love for the Kims and hate for the USA.
There needs to be more consumer awareness regarding college. If you are looking for a new car or new refrigerator you can buy a Consumer Reports magazine and get the information you want, but where to you go to get sound information on a college? We don’t know what the drop out rates are, we don’t know how many people succeed in the jobs they were trained for and we don’t know how much people earn in their chosen professions.
This core curiculumn is the Old Goals 2000 that we were warned about in the 80’s and 90s.
Doesnt anyone remember it?
We should encourage our students to do reports on North Korea. What a shock it would be to the kids in the classroom to know that there is such a hell hole on planet earth. Teachers should teach about North Korea and other despotic regimes, current news would be a great way to introduce conditions in North Korea. American kids need to get out of the TMZ zone and learn more about the DMZ.
I agree, it depends on the degree. Also, I don’t think taxpayers should subsidize any studies that aren’t related to employment. If someone wants to study about gender, race, socialism etc. let them pay for it.
I think it's fear of being sent to a gulag, as much as brainwashing.
Oh yeah. The ultimate goal is government schooling from birth through age 22.
I have always wondered when this society decided to run it's economy using the AKC (American Kennel Club) as it's model.
You can't get into the ring (job market) unless you have your papers (diploma). I graduated hs in 1972 and immediately got a job as a secretary. I took typing and shorthand in hs. Now, you can't even apply for a job like that without a bachelor's degree, at least. A high school diploma doesn't mean much in the job market any more. When my eldest daughter graduated from Indiana University, we had a conversation about her future and she was going for the Masters degree because "a bachelor's degree doesn't mean anything anymore". So, now she has a Master's Degree and a huge college loan to pay off.
I think that lefties started this by getting their degrees, this put them in places to hire others, they only hired other people with degrees. Grade inflation, from the elementary/high school level has now pushed into the college level so that you simply can't depend on a bachelor's degree to tell you someone is competent. The young person goes on for a Masters, because that is now what is required to get a decent paying job (which you need because of all of the money you owe to various colleges). It is a never ending spiral, which people get caught up in and it affects the quality of their lives because of the cost of the schooling which they are now paying off for decades.
I didn't make it clear, but this was a big part of Glenn's reasoning. Apparently, mastery of this Core curriculum will be required for college attendance. Yessiree. Gotta hand it to those free-thinking progressives.
Well...professors and education administrators need their retirement accounts, 2nd homes, and offshore vacations, ya know! /s
My late father also was an 8th grade graduate. I always point out, however, that it was 8 years with nuns. In his job as a welder, he would often complain about college grad engineers who couldn't read a blueprint. My Dad could read a blueprint easily.
This was way before my time. I think he retired before that but I do remember stories that he was upset about the US government allowing the Japanese to come in to the company and learn some of their top secrets before the war.
I’ve worked for a few “Packards” in my life too.
Not only that but it was to keep the commies comfortably working in their insulated universities while looking down on the average worker. Now if you want a job that pays, you must go to them.
They need to do away with some of these degree requirements and put in more apprenticeship programs.
The kids coming out of college don't know any better. They've bought into the system and expect things to work out perfectly once they've finished.
The Common Core Standards were developed by an organization called Achieve, and the National Governors Associationboth of which were funded by the Gates Foundation. The standards have been imposed on the states without any field testing, and little or no input from those involved in implementing the standards.
Fact-based books on climate change are also replacing classic works of literature because they are viewed as offering students an opportunity to learn science.
Freakonomicsa book that has already been a favorite of public school teachersis preferable to Poe because students will learn about the positive effects of abortion on reducing crime rates by reducing the population of those more likely to commit crime.
I have lived in a time when electronic engineering was still a Moses Mountain thing.
Today, the kids that I have witnessed in college, and those that have graduated college, should have been held back in thier junior high school years.
We, as a society, still have needs for mechanics, plumbers, carpenters, electricians, HVAC, and those skilled in metal working. The world of electronics have become so meaningless, as to the ‘gee-whiz’ factor, that going to college for electronics, has no brass ring, anymore.
I still do believe that high schools, should, if they do not, be made into trade schools, with meeting general education requirements, and, with three or four years on-hand training and certification in a trade. This would be a boon to local society, for they would have a local trained workforce, to meet the needs of local society. It would be honest work, good work, with enough of a pay scale to support the now-high-school-graduate. Those that cannot cut it in a trade school ... there’s always the infantry.
Here is some links to reports on Glenn Beck’s The Blaze on homeschooling, common core, and education. I haven’t been keeping track due to being overwhelmed by other stuff but is is outrageous. List is quiet long as The Blaze has discussed education a lot.:
Thanks for posting...mark for later.
There are some wonderful options. My kids went to Huntington U in Indiana, Taylor in Indiana and my daughter will be starting Grove City College in PA in the fall.
I’m especially excited about Grove City. They accept NO government funds at all, and thus can teach without their influence.
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