Posted on 03/28/2013 6:31:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Sorry, I didn’t check your link the first time. Most of those verse are about cursing, not profanity, but I do see a couple verses that are talking about crude language. I wish Christians would refer to those verses when they are talking about the subject and not the verses about cursing, since conflating the two doesn’t serve any purpose.
If people like Colbert were truly cutting edge, he would have a skit about Mohammed running a Day Care Center.
See post 16.
It’s ALL a sin.
There is actually a difference between vulgar words and profane ones, though we commonly (and incorrectly) lump them together as "obscenities" or "profanities". Technically, only the sacrilegious words are profane, other "impolite" words are vulgar, and those that are overly-explicit would be obscene.
More people watch The Bible than you Stevie. Get over it.
You wrote:
“See post 16. It’s ALL a sin.”
I did. I looked at the first handful of verses. I saw nothing there that said profanity was inherently sinful. Counseling against a thing does not make that thing inherently sinful. If you want to make a real point, why don’t you just help me out and give me the specific verse which condemns profanity as sinful. Also, to save time, please make sure the verse condemns profanity and not “cursing” as used in scripture since the two are not always one in the same. Thanks.
I wish Christians would refer to those verses when they are talking about the subject and not the verses about cursing, since conflating the two doesn’t serve any purpose.
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And I wish Catholics would undestand there is no distinction in swearing, cursing, using the Lords name in vain, using profanity, course joking and so on and so on.
Its all commanded against and its all a sin.
But lets just chalk this up as another fundamental difference between Catholics and Christians. We see profanity as equal a sin as using the Lords name in vain. You guys don’t.
I see nit-picking going on in your replies.
“Counseling against a thing does not make that thing inherently sinful”
Counseling?? Puh-leaze. These are commandments not suggestions.
See my post 47 for a conclusion to this argument.
“But lets just chalk this up as another fundamental difference between Catholics and Christians. We see profanity as equal a sin as using the Lords name in vain. You guys don’t.”
Who’s Catholic? Is there some commandment about assuming you know something about someone when you do not, and then making silly pronouncements based on that false belief?
'Clean' or 'cook'?
You wrote:
“But lets just chalk this up as another fundamental difference between Catholics and Christians.”
The real difference is that we see Christians as Christians while you’re apparently unable to see Christians different than you as Christians at all.
That's right. We Catholics, who are Christians, do see a difference between the two. More generally, we recognize that some sins are simply not as severe as others.
This is only rational, I would submit. For those who may reject "reason" as part of their faith, I suppose it may seem strange, perhaps blasphemous, to recognize that saying the "F word" is not the same kind of sin as taking the Lord's Name in vain, but that's what one gets, I suppose, when one's faith isn't reasonable.
You wrote:
“I see nit-picking going on in your replies.”
No, you just see the truth. Everything I said is true. Deal with it.
“Counseling?? Puh-leaze. These are commandments not suggestions.”
They are not commandments. There is no commandment against profanity. There is a commandment agains taking the Lord’s name in vain.
“See my post 47 for a conclusion to this argument.”
I’ll look at it. I doubt it will be a conclusion. I think it will just be you running away because you couldn’t do what I asked.
-— And I looked at 47. And it is just like I thought it was going to be. Run away, run away Responsibility2nd. Hide from the debate you already lost!
Interesting thought. Wrong. But interesting.
Or is this more than a thought? It might be dogma from the “One True Church”?
2) I am not nit-picking, but merely presenting the proper definition of words. Words mean things. My post was neither arguing for or against the use of coarse language of any form, but rather noting the fact that there are different types of such language. It is consistent for someone to believe that using profane language is unacceptable even while they engage in using vulgar or even obscene language. You may not agree with that belief or the reasoning behind it, but there is at least some internal consistency to it.
Keep running from the actual argument. Apparently it’s all you can do anyway.
OK, as an evangelical let me ask you. Do you see both of these verses as commands?
Exodus 20:7 ESV / 30 helpful votes
“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
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Ephesians 4:29 ESV / 115 helpful votes
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Sorry, I’m not being drawn into your theological argument. You made false assumptions about me and mis-characterized the contents of my post. You clearly are on an agenda, and I have not the time or energy to deal with it.
No problem.
I see a command from God to Moses to me as equal to a command from God to Paul to me.
Its. Just. That. Simple.
And my apologies to you and any Catholics who believe otherwise. If anyone took my arguments on behalf of the Bible as some personal attack to their faith - then I apologize.
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