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Strange 'Methuselah' Star Looks Older Than the Universe
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| 3-7-2013
| Mike Wall
Posted on 03/08/2013 5:17:11 AM PST by Sir Napsalot
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you can always fudge the figures when your side has a problem....
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posted on
03/08/2013 5:27:15 AM PST
by
raygunfan
To: Sir Napsalot
I thought the title had something to do with this.
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posted on
03/08/2013 5:32:24 AM PST
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: Sir Napsalot
Reminds me of a college paper I saw back in 1970. It effectively proved black is white.
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posted on
03/08/2013 5:32:28 AM PST
by
cuban leaf
(Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
To: Sir Napsalot; Hardraade
Oh, for the love of G-d! These people drive me nuts.
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posted on
03/08/2013 5:33:05 AM PST
by
MestaMachine
(Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
To: Sir Napsalot
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posted on
03/08/2013 5:42:29 AM PST
by
JRios1968
(I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
To: Sir Napsalot
” ‘Put all of those ingredients together, and you get an age of 14.5 billion years, with a residual uncertainty’ . . . plus or minus 800 million years, which means the star could actually be 13.7 billion years old”
Later in the article:
“The Methuselah star, which is just now bloating into a red giant, was probably born in a dwarf galaxy that the nascent Milky Way gobbled up more than 12 billion years ago, researchers said. The star’s long, looping orbit is likely a residue of that dramatic act of cannibalism.”
— leaving the impression that something 13 to 14 billion years old was created roughly 12 billion years ago. Only on close reading will a layman come to the conclusion that the star somehow survived its galaxy being gobbled up (rather than being creatd as a result of that event), and had its orbit affected as a result.
The article also says “The star moves at about 800,000 mph (1.3 million km/h)” but doesn’t say relative to what.
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posted on
03/08/2013 5:45:09 AM PST
by
Chad N. Freud
(FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
To: Chad N. Freud
The Milky Way and Andromeda are going to collide and during that collision, not much is going to touch one and other. Space is vast.
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posted on
03/08/2013 5:52:08 AM PST
by
Michael Barnes
(Obamaa+ Downgrade)
To: Chad N. Freud
Thanks, but the article leaves no doubt that the star is ‘one of the oldest’ from the earliest galaxies.
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posted on
03/08/2013 5:52:54 AM PST
by
Sir Napsalot
(Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
To: Sir Napsalot
They’re gonna call the star “Helen Thomas”
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posted on
03/08/2013 5:53:19 AM PST
by
COBOL2Java
(Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
To: COBOL2Java
HT really doesn’t deserve the honor, having the star named after her.
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posted on
03/08/2013 5:58:06 AM PST
by
Sir Napsalot
(Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
To: Chad N. Freud
When a galaxy is “eaten up” by another galaxy, that means that the two merge, and more or less assume the identity of the larger galaxy. Few, if any, of the stars fall into the larger galaxy’s central black hole, or anything like that. Sort of like mitosis going backward in time.
The 800,000 mph seems to refer to the “proper motion” (as opposed to parallax) of the star, which would be motion with respect to our little solar system. You are correct, it is not at all clear.
To: Sir Napsalot
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posted on
03/08/2013 6:02:29 AM PST
by
JoeProBono
(A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
To: MestaMachine
Oh, for the love of G-d! These people drive me nuts. Who? Scientists?
Fine.
Don't use anything developed by scientists, or anything developed by engineers based on the work of scientists.
Enjoy your solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short life, caveman.
What?
You don't want to live like a caveman?
Then quit bitching about the people who enable you (and the whole society you live in) to live better than cavemen.
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posted on
03/08/2013 6:04:00 AM PST
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: Michael Barnes
The Milky Way and Andromeda are going to collide and during that collision, not much is going to touch one and other. Space is vast.
Like an atom, takes up space, but most of the space is made up of nothing.
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posted on
03/08/2013 6:06:24 AM PST
by
ZX12R
To: All
What was there before the so-called Big Bang????
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posted on
03/08/2013 6:10:48 AM PST
by
Boonie
To: Boonie
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What was there before the so-called Big Bang? --
From a physical standpoint, nothing. Not even space or time. Asking what was "before" implies time was running "before," but not even time was running. It couldn't.
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posted on
03/08/2013 6:16:23 AM PST
by
Cboldt
To: Sir Napsalot
16 billion plus or minus 800 million is 16.8 or 15.2 billion, still older than the universe
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posted on
03/08/2013 6:17:16 AM PST
by
Cronos
(Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
To: BykrBayb
You forgot the BARF Alert on that picture.
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posted on
03/08/2013 6:19:29 AM PST
by
ThomasMore
(Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
To: JoeProBono
Wow. If those sizes are accurate, HD140283 is beyond huge.
Betelgeuse is almost a million times the size of our sun.
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posted on
03/08/2013 6:21:34 AM PST
by
Bloody Sam Roberts
(Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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