Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

USFA ZiP .22 Review
Petersen's Hunting ^ | January 11, 2013 | Mike Schoby

Posted on 01/20/2013 5:26:35 AM PST by Jed Eckert

I first saw the USFA ZiP .22 on USFA’s website and it immediately caught my attention. Why? Well, for starters it is unique—very unique. It captures the imagination, finding something truly new in firearms development is a bit of a rarity. John Browning and Paul Mauser can still say that most firearms are mere modifications of designs they pioneered 100 years ago. So on that merit alone, I wanted to check out this pistol.

Secondly, being mainly polymer and uber-lightweight, this gun fills a niche for the survival crowd. It would fit easily in a backpack, truck or tackle box, and could be carried as an emergency survival gun without any undue weight.

Finally, it is versatile. It takes Ruger 10/22 magazines (I mean, who already doesn’t own a 10/22 and a plethora of mags?), and with the Ruger 25-round mags, it makes this pistol one of the few handguns on the market with a 25-round capability. In light of the recent fervor coming from the gun-grabbers in Washington, owning multiple guns that take the same high-cap mags might not be such a bad idea. This gun can also be converted into a rifle, and can be used in conjunction with other firearms with a standard 1913 Rail—all NFA rules do apply, of course.

So I literally begged Douglas Donnelly, USFA CEO and inventor of ZiP, for a test sample before the masses could get their hands on it at SHOT Show. He came through, so here is my brief review.

(Excerpt) Read more at petersenshunting.com ...


TOPICS: Hobbies; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: banglist; firearms; pistols; secondamendment
Stumbled on this review while looking for something else. It looks like an interesting little handgun made mostly of polymer. Be sure to check out the manufacturer's web site too.
1 posted on 01/20/2013 5:26:39 AM PST by Jed Eckert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

For if I ever go to a skeeter shoot.


2 posted on 01/20/2013 5:35:21 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

Ok, pick the round you want in an emergency.

3 posted on 01/20/2013 5:42:49 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

Make it full-auto and they’ll have something.


4 posted on 01/20/2013 5:45:46 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert
Saw several YouTube reviews from SHOT Show 2013, and I must say I don't get it. It's an ergonomic nightmare as a handgun, and I don't get the fun factor or practicality of paying an SBR stamp to hang it under your AR.


5 posted on 01/20/2013 5:48:26 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

Can’t see this 22 in the field. The Marines switched back to the 45acp. Try and take down a raghead high on pot with a 22LR.


6 posted on 01/20/2013 5:50:36 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

Price?


7 posted on 01/20/2013 5:51:23 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red_Devil 232
Price?

Looks like the MSRP is $199.00

8 posted on 01/20/2013 6:00:37 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

If I think of it as an updated version of the Henry “Survivor” .22, then it makes sense. Sort of a “better than nothing” weapon to keep in the backpack/BOB. They are relatively cheap too ... just over $200 with a 10/22 25 round mag.


9 posted on 01/20/2013 6:06:54 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red_Devil 232

Price $200.

It’s rediculous. I want one.


10 posted on 01/20/2013 6:07:32 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: central_va; Yo-Yo; Rappini; HomeAtLast

I don’t see this a self defense gun by any stretch. Looks to be more useful for stuffing in a backpack or as a survival gun where weight is a factor. If it’s reliable and accurate it would probably be as good a choice as the old Armalite AR-7 (now made by Henry Firearms).


11 posted on 01/20/2013 6:17:59 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

looks like a 22 blowback pistol with a lot of plastic wrapped around it.


12 posted on 01/20/2013 6:24:01 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

Not sure what the advantage of this thing is. It weighs twice as much as the Kel-Tec P-32 and isn’t that small.


13 posted on 01/20/2013 6:43:00 AM PST by RoosterRedux
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Yo-Yo

I’m gonna call it “The Conundrum Gun”.

Can’t figure out which way you hold it.... /S

I want one.


14 posted on 01/20/2013 6:43:23 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Hardraade
Amen to the full auto.

We have been suffering with the infringements of NFA for far too long. Suppressors are mainstream now and cost a bundle to save ears, among other things.

The farther we travel from 1986 and the impact of the govt picking winners and losers in the machine gun game, the higher the prices of machine guns will go and the fewer manufacturers there will be.

Not to mention the now yearly reduction in the severely limited number of available machine guns for public purchase. Or to put it better, we the people are now outgunned in small arms, by the mere passage of time and those the second amendment seeks to protect us from, grow ever stronger in relation.

15 posted on 01/20/2013 6:47:22 AM PST by wita
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

Can this thing be 3D printed? Just thinking but, you buy the metal parts and print up the frame, a do-it-yourself “freedom gun”.


16 posted on 01/20/2013 7:21:29 AM PST by nomad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nomad

Butt ugly, but it does the job.


17 posted on 01/20/2013 7:23:21 AM PST by nomad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Yo-Yo
Saw several YouTube reviews from SHOT Show 2013, and I must say I don't get it. It's an ergonomic nightmare as a handgun, and I don't get the fun factor or practicality of paying an SBR stamp to hang it under your AR.

YES! YES! and YES! This is the answer to a question NOBODY asked! Useless as two rows of teats on a boar hog! It sucks hard as a "handgun" and even harder as a Federally licensed short barreled rifle. Everybody is an "operator" now days and you've just gotta hang some kind of worthless crap off of all those rails you paid extra money for. Someone ought to invent a set of wheels that attaches to a Picatinny rail...at least that would be useful to roll that mobile garage sale you call a rifle to the range!
18 posted on 01/20/2013 7:25:27 AM PST by 762X51
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert
It's been done before and in a FAR more useful package. You can actually shoot this one without clamping it to a 2X8.


19 posted on 01/20/2013 7:37:35 AM PST by 762X51
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Yo-Yo

Don’t know about the ergonomy, but it’s kinda reminiscent of what the FN P90 was meant to be (the original design had a 100rd throwavay box mag w caseless rounds), and the p90, I’m told, is pretty good.


20 posted on 01/20/2013 8:08:55 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: RoosterRedux
Not sure what the advantage of this thing is. It weighs twice as much as the Kel-Tec P-32 and isn’t that small.

Kel-Tec P-32: MSRP- $ 318.00, 6 round mag + 1

The ZiP™.22 L.R. :MSRP- $199.99 10 or 25 round mag + 1

And of course the rimfire ammo is much less expensive than the centerfire .32 ammo of the Kel-Tec. The Kel-Tec does win on weight though, 6.6 oz vs 15.5 oz

21 posted on 01/20/2013 8:24:21 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: 762X51
It's been done before and in a FAR more useful package. You can actually shoot this one without clamping it to a 2X8.

The Intratec TEC-22 was a great concept but reliability sucked. If this latest incarnation based around the 10/22 Ruger magazine proves reliable and accurate I predict it will fly off the shelves.

22 posted on 01/20/2013 8:37:34 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

Maybe your TEC-22 is defective. The one my shooting buddy has works PERFECTLY and we shoot it all the time. We haven’t tried the new BX-25 magazines in it yet but if the old RamLine mags function so well there’s no need to assume that the higher quality BX-25 wouldn’t work perfectly too. I predict they’ll be out of business within a year IF they ever even ship ANY in the first place. Time will tell.


23 posted on 01/20/2013 8:51:31 AM PST by 762X51
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert
I thought the FReeper you responded to was talking about the Kel-Tec PMR-30

Takes .22 mag and holds 30 rounds. I want one.

24 posted on 01/20/2013 9:00:48 AM PST by Blue Highway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: 762X51
Someone ought to invent a set of wheels that attaches to a Picatinny rail...at least that would be useful to roll that mobile garage sale you call a rifle to the range!

LMAO!

Well I suppose you wouldn't approve of my new postol caliber carbine then:

 photo 995TS2_zps9ac94c32.jpg

25 posted on 01/20/2013 9:03:39 AM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert
ARGH!....new toys come out, at the same time the 'Great Gun Buy-Up is in full panic mode...

26 posted on 01/20/2013 10:13:33 AM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: central_va

Either will do just fine.


27 posted on 01/20/2013 10:23:32 AM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: 762X51
Maybe your TEC-22 is defective. The one my shooting buddy has works PERFECTLY and we shoot it all the time. We haven’t tried the new BX-25 magazines in it yet but if the old RamLine mags function so well there’s no need to assume that the higher quality BX-25 wouldn’t work perfectly too. I predict they’ll be out of business within a year IF they ever even ship ANY in the first place. Time will tell.

I suspect the TEC-22s had a quality control issue. (Dies or molds wearing out in manufacturing process.) In most cases the fussy ones could be tweaked to function reliably with a given brand of mag. The typical problem was the mag would be loose in the receiver and cause feeding issues. Same problem when Armalite quit making the AR-7 and Charter Arms started making it. Many of the Charter Arms version had feeding problems due to sloppy tolerances.

28 posted on 01/20/2013 10:38:54 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: nomad
Can I get a 3D printer at Staples yet? And how much is the ink?

/sarc

29 posted on 01/20/2013 10:44:25 AM PST by BreezyDog (Illegitimi non carborundum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Blue Highway
I thought the FReeper you responded to was talking about the Kel-Tec PMR-30

Ah yes. The almost mythical PMR-30. They seem to vanish from the dealer's shelves as fast they come in and at $400.00 plus no less. It's on my wish list too along with Kel-Tec's RFB Bullpup Rifle.

30 posted on 01/20/2013 10:53:25 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: nomad
Can this thing be 3D printed? Just thinking but, you buy the metal parts and print up the frame, a do-it-yourself “freedom gun”.

Probably. But I think for the home builder or 'guerrilla gunsmith', casting is still more feasible at this time.

Mold Making and Casting Supplies

31 posted on 01/20/2013 11:19:04 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: BreezyDog

Actually, Staples is starting to offer a 3d print service.


32 posted on 01/20/2013 11:32:33 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Yo-Yo

The thing that really worries me about this design are the two plungers over the barrel. Especially the re-strike plunger. I’m not so sure I want to put my hand that close to the end of the barrel after a rimfire round has decided not to go bang.

It may “only” be a .22, but I’m pretty sure it will take the tip of my finger clean off if I accidentally cover the muzzle when the round decides to fire.


33 posted on 01/20/2013 12:57:22 PM PST by MediaMole
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Jed Eckert

Or try these guys Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30i_6awxEG4 just follow the link to their website.


34 posted on 01/21/2013 7:41:53 PM PST by nomad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson