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San Diego top cop boasts 'we broke the NRA' as some chiefs aim for gun control
Washington Guardian ^ | January 16, 2013 | Kimberly Dvorak

Posted on 01/17/2013 1:59:49 PM PST by Altariel

Newtown massacre pushes some police chiefs beyond enforcing the law, to advocating new ones

Lawmakers and mayors aren’t the only ones ratcheting up the debate on gun control. Some big city police chiefs are also stepping into the political arena, lobbying for tighter controls that they and their officers would then enforce.

Take for instance San Diego Police Chief William Lansdowne, who in an interview last week called for tougher gun laws and clearly chafed at the influence the National Rifle Association has held for years over the national debate.

Lansdowne suggested the Newtown, Conn., massacre may have undercut the gun lobby’s power and opened the door for new gun control legislation. “We broke the NRA,” Lansdowne boasted in an off camera portion of an interview with San Diego 6 and the Washington Guardian. When asked to expound, he demurred.

The White House plans to unveil its regulatory plan Wednesday for tightening gun controls, and Lansdowne threw his support behind President Barack Obama.

"I could not be more supportive of the president for taking the position he has," he told KPBS in a separate interview. "I think it's courageous with the politics involved in this process. But I think it's going to eventually make the country safer and certainly safer for my officers that have to respond to these calls. "

The pro-gun movement is showing no sign of letting up, however.

The NRA unleashed a new video Tuesday calling Obama "an elitist hypocrite" and announced it has had a massive surge in new memberships since Newtown. Gun sales have soared as some gun owners fear new restrictions. And after a White House meeting with the NRA, Vice President Joe Biden pointedly omitted promising an assault weapons ban that he and the president have long supported, suggesting the White House would focus first on closing loopholes on gun buyers’ background checks and limiting the size of ammunition cartridges.

In fact, the NRA scoff at the notion that the tide has turned against Second Amendment supporters. “I would say that the likelihood is that they are not going to be able to get assault weapons ban through this Congress,” NRA President David Keene told CNN this past weekend.

Normally, police leave the politics to politicians, or their umbrella lobbying groups. But the Sandy Hook Elementary rampage, which claimed 20 children and eight adults, has pushed many individual chiefs from their normal positions of enforcing the law to expressing political opinions and advocating legislative outcomes.

Chicago Police Chief Garry McCarthy recently was quoted as supporting several new laws that would restrict assault weapons, restrict high-capacity magazines and close a gun-show loophole on mandatory background checks.

“People are going to say that this is gun control and they’re going to take our guns,” McCarthy was quoted earlier this month saying. “We’re not looking for that. We’re looking for reasonability in the law.”

On the flip side, Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, whose district suffered through the mass shooting that wounded Rep. Gabby Giffords a couple of years ago in Tucson, Ariz., is supporting the NRA's position of putting armed security in schools, and opposing tougher gun controls.

“Cities with the largest gun crime problems are New York City, Chicago and Washington DC all have one thing in common- the strictest gun laws,” he said. “This is not a gun issue, it’s a mental health issue,”

Some groups representing rank-and-file also are opposing more gun controls, like the Law Enforcement Alliance of America. “That’s because they know, better than most, that disarming honest citizens does nothing to reduce crime, but will deprive citizens of the means of defending themselves from violent predators,” the group said.

San Diego's Lansdowne, who plays an active role in the western region of the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP), said in the interview it may take a generation, but guns will eventually be taken off the streets through new laws.

He also has personally advocated for a legislative solution that would allow current lawful firearms owners to keep their assault weapons if new sales are banned, but prohibit assault firearms from be passed down to living relatives after death, meaning the weapon would be destroyed when the current owner dies.

Separately, IACP is advocating a ban on assault weapons, restricting high-capacity magazines, closing loopholes that allow firearm sales between private owners without background checks, future gun transfer grandfathering, and implementing much stricter background checks by using a comprehensive database.

Lansdowne also is pressing to address the mental health component that is a common denominator in many of the recent mass shootings.

“Having a national system that quickly identifies those people who are suffering from acts of violence and mental health issues,” is also key when it comes to addressing gun violence, he said.

Under Lansdowne, San Diego Police implemented the Psychiatric Emergency Response Team or (PERT), a program that pairs a licensed mental health clinician with a law enforcement officer to respond to calls dealing with psychological issues.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; firearms; guncontrol; nra; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/17/2013 1:59:52 PM PST by Altariel
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To: Altariel

No you haven’t.


2 posted on 01/17/2013 2:01:44 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Altariel

The NRA is twice as big as it was a month ago.


3 posted on 01/17/2013 2:01:58 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Altariel

The NRA is twice as big as it was a month ago.


4 posted on 01/17/2013 2:02:21 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Altariel

Makes sense to me - disarm law-abiding citizens while ignoring your city’s gang problem. And in the meantime, make your entire PD the enemy. Good job!

/heavy sarc


5 posted on 01/17/2013 2:03:40 PM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Altariel

Yup, all those gangs in the sheriff’s domain are most certainly quaking in fear over his latest gun control dictums.


6 posted on 01/17/2013 2:07:47 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Altariel
The White House plans to unveil its regulatory plan Wednesday for tightening gun controls, and Lansdowne threw his support behind President Barack Obama.

I hope Lansdowne had some Viagara in his pocket or some tribal cure for PE....

7 posted on 01/17/2013 2:08:18 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Altariel

The only thing you broke was yer ulna.

Clearly you are deluded and quite touched in the head....


8 posted on 01/17/2013 2:08:35 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Altariel

I live in San Diego and I want to puke every time I hear Landsdowne talk. He is a partisan Democrat party hack. He goes beyond political correctness. Last night on the local news he was gushing about the “courage” of 0bama. The two great loves in his life are 0bama and illegal aliens who cause accidents while driving without licenses and insurance.


9 posted on 01/17/2013 2:08:57 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Altariel
Lansdowne seems to be saying ~ and pray it's not so ~ that he is part of a 'we' that engineered the Newtown massacre.

Then the leftwingtards wonder where the conspiracy theories come from ~ apparantly from leftwingtard cops and other nutballs over on that side.

10 posted on 01/17/2013 2:10:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Altariel

San Diego’s Top Cop lives an hour away from the city he polices. Isn’t that sweet. His force is quickly becoming a disaster. This article tries to put a happy spin on a situation that is failing fast...

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/data-drive/article_8d95a48a-93b0-11e0-9858-001cc4c002e0.html


11 posted on 01/17/2013 2:10:27 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: forgotten man

So much for San Diego being more “conservative” than most of the state. At least among voters who put this idiot into office.


12 posted on 01/17/2013 2:10:47 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Fire all politicians and impeach the judges.)
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To: Altariel

Parrot the Kenyan marxist’s line and there might be some ‘free’ drones it it for his department.


13 posted on 01/17/2013 2:12:12 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Altariel

But I think it’s going to eventually make the country safer and certainly safer for my officers that have to respond to these calls. “

Exactly what did the President say or do that will keep gang bangers, drug dealers, homicidal manics, from killing people including your officers?
You sir are a political hack, not a Police Officer...


14 posted on 01/17/2013 2:14:21 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Altariel
Amazing what you hear out of a$$hat City Police Chiefs with more stars on their shoulders than Eisenhower compared to what you hear out of county/parish Sheriffs.

Wonder why?

15 posted on 01/17/2013 2:17:59 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Altariel

There’s no better place for jackin’ it than San Diego!


16 posted on 01/17/2013 2:20:15 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: Altariel

What a moron. People like him in power is what is wrong with America.


17 posted on 01/17/2013 2:20:15 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: muawiyah
Then the leftwingtards wonder where the conspiracy theories come from ~ apparantly from leftwingtard cops and other nutballs over on that side.

With both Obama and Biden touring the country, it is almost a sure thing that the Reichstag will have a fire. I have little doubt that there will be a staged event designed to propel the over the top agenda over the top, and I would wager that Duh 1 has already talked with a certain gunrunning AG about moving into the veep slot.

Hopefully you will be able to tell me to get better tinfoil when this all settles down.

In the meantime, all the Kabuke make-up is doing a great job of burying Benghazi and Fast and Furious, not to mention the persistent absence of a budget.

18 posted on 01/17/2013 2:20:37 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Altariel

That remains to be seen.


19 posted on 01/17/2013 2:22:45 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Hopefully you will be able to tell me to get better tinfoil when this all settles down.

I'll probably need one too, because I think you're spot on *probability* wise.

20 posted on 01/17/2013 2:24:29 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: forgotten man

“I live in San Diego...”

You have my sympathy.

I never heard of this Lansdowne scumbag but he sounds like he would be more than comfortable with a swastika on his shoulder instead of the stars and stripes.

I lived in California for a long time, and moved out 20 years ago. The gang problems in California’s largest cities was bad 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, etc. And nothing is done, because it isn’t PC to go after Mexican and black gangs. So they go after the law biding people instead. Now the gang problem has spread to smaller California cities and towns, and to other states.

Police chiefs abd sheriffs who are hostile to the Second Amendment are just as big a threat to our freedoms as Obama and his cohorts.


21 posted on 01/17/2013 2:25:59 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: Altariel

Another American city temporarily behind enemy lines.


22 posted on 01/17/2013 2:26:22 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Altariel

There they are, the IACP. I’ve been warning people about them, they are fascists.

Janet Napolitano is on the IACP board. Obama was once on the board of the Joyce Foundation which works with the IACP.

The chiefs are union political hacks.


23 posted on 01/17/2013 2:33:25 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: Altariel
On the flip side, Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, whose district suffered through the mass shooting that wounded Rep. Gabby Giffords a couple of years ago in Tucson, Ariz

Whoever wrote this article doesn't know Arizona very well. Tucson is in Pima County. Pima County has that idiot Dupnik as County Sheriff who blamed the right for the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords.

24 posted on 01/17/2013 2:34:55 PM PST by Luna (Evil will not triumph. God is at the helm.)
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To: Altariel; All

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=4732


25 posted on 01/17/2013 2:40:10 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Constitutional Sheriff and Peace Officer Association

www.CSPOA.org

www.OathKeepers.org

26 posted on 01/17/2013 2:41:38 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (www.OathKeepers.org/oath/)
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To: Altariel

Strange Bedfellows: Obummercommies will push armed gangsters and armed law-abiding citizens against a common enemy


27 posted on 01/17/2013 2:46:01 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ( Lend a friend a gun)
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To: TurboZamboni

That and a cushy DC appointment when Dago runs him out for incompetence.


28 posted on 01/17/2013 3:02:20 PM PST by winodog (Thank you Jesus for the calm in my life)
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To: Altariel

A friend sent me the link for a Youtube video called “Why the Cops fear SHTF”. I wasn’t sure what to think when it started off with the assertion that the biggest gang on the streets was not the Crips but the local police department.

By the end of the video I saw where they going with that statement. And it sort of explains why the Police chiefs want the common citizen disarmed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xlA-2xf9mE

I neither approve or disapprove of the video, I am just bringing this up for additional discussion.


29 posted on 01/17/2013 3:04:51 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: Fledermaus

We did not vote him into office. He was appointed. You make a good point though. The San Diego County Sheriff was elected and he is another liberal scum sucker. His name is Bill Gore. He earned his bones as the leader of the FBI operation at Ruby Ridge.


30 posted on 01/17/2013 3:11:52 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: The Working Man

Bflv


31 posted on 01/17/2013 3:20:21 PM PST by ebshumidors
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To: Altariel
"The gun lobby's power ..."

According to Open Secrets, the Pharmaceuticals and Health Products industry lobby spent nearly $181 million in 2012. Business Associations spent $122 million in lobbying, the Insurance Industry spent $113 million, the Electric Utilities industry spent $108 million, and the Oil & Gas industries spent $104 million. All in 2012.

According to the same site, the "gun rights lobby" spent ...

... are you ready? ARE YOU SITTING DOWN?

In 2012, this ominous all-powerful influencial "gun lobby" spent ...

... a whopping $5.8 million.

In other words, the Pharmaceuticals industry spent MORE THAN 31 TIMES MORE than "the gun lobby."

"The gun lobby's power ..." is that of a kitten even compared to the Defense Aerospace Industry, which spent $42.5 million lobbying in 2012 -- that's more than seven times the "gun lobby's power."

Claims of being pressured by a "powerful gun lobby" are pure HOKUM.

32 posted on 01/17/2013 3:25:12 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Altariel

The disarmed are not citizens. They are serfs.


33 posted on 01/17/2013 3:30:25 PM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( John Boehner is our Pierre Laval. We need a Charles DeGaulle.)
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To: Altariel

“San Diego’s Lansdowne, who plays an active role in the western region of the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP), said in the interview it may take a generation, but guns will eventually be taken off the streets through new laws”

Chief Lansdowne what have been drinking, smoking or popping?

Chief Lansdowne please tell me off top of your size 6 head, give me the last 5 killers you had in San Diego that were also NRA members.


34 posted on 01/17/2013 3:49:26 PM PST by Cyman
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To: Cyman

And this is from our friends at KPBS

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/may/17/san-diego-police-there-pattern-misconduct/


35 posted on 01/17/2013 3:54:55 PM PST by Cyman
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To: Altariel
Kimberly Dvorak wrote, "the White House would focus first on closing loopholes...and limiting the size of ammunition cartridges."

That's really cute, little girl. Now, run along, and iron some shirts. BTW, the police chief is wearing the rank of general in the image posted at the news site behind the link. It appears to be playtime for kids in San Diego.


36 posted on 01/17/2013 5:39:50 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Altariel

Whistling past the graveyard.


37 posted on 01/17/2013 5:46:31 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Altariel
"Lansdowne suggested the Newtown, Conn., massacre may have undercut the gun lobby’s power and opened the door for new gun control legislation. 'We broke the NRA,' Lansdowne boasted in an off camera portion of an interview..."

So Lansdowne admitted that he and others were behind the massacre? Who's the "we" besides him?


38 posted on 01/17/2013 5:52:56 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Altariel
William Lansdowne

Remember that name.
Another delusional small person with a Napoleon complex (should that be updated to 'Obama' Complex?) who believes that those 'old white men' in the late 18th Century, who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, had no clue what they were doing; or why.

Karma, however, is a bitch.
Good luck to him.

39 posted on 01/17/2013 7:39:11 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: familyop
Instead of insulting the journalist, how about directing it to the person who actually expressed the sentiment as opposed to the person who reported the expressed sentiment?

Context is key.

And after a White House meeting with the NRA, Vice President Joe Biden pointedly omitted promising an assault weapons ban that he and the president have long supported, suggesting the White House would focus first on closing loopholes on gun buyers’ background checks and limiting the size of ammunition cartridges.

40 posted on 01/17/2013 8:25:46 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

The authoress wrote that text without quotation marks. The words are properly assumed by readers to be hers, paraphrased or otherwise. The common nature of such errors is understandable, though, with so many English classes filled with man-hating instead of useful skills.


41 posted on 01/18/2013 9:31:32 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: The Cajun
Amazing what you hear out of a$$hat City Police Chiefs with more stars on their shoulders than Eisenhower compared to what you hear out of county/parish Sheriffs.

A two-star general commands a division of about 20,000 troops. If your police force has 20K officers, then you get to wear two stars. The chief of NYPD (40K officers) gets to wear three stars. San Diego PD ( < 3K ) doesn't even qualify for one star.

42 posted on 01/18/2013 9:45:13 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Altariel

The blame should be shared, though. That publication needs an editor with some rudimentary technical knowledge.


43 posted on 01/18/2013 9:51:58 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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