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BCS title game a clash of cultures
http://msn.foxsports.com/ ^ | 01/06/2013 | Greg Couch

Posted on 01/07/2013 7:56:30 AM PST by BO Stinkss

I never had any problems in the short time I lived in the Deep South. My co-workers in Savannah, Ga., told me at times that I was nice for a Yankee, which is to say that thanks to Southern hospitality, I was very politely well-tolerated. Still, there were times I felt as if I needed a passport. I also had never seen an entire aisle at the grocery store dedicated to grits, the way they had it at the Piggly Wiggly. And while that life was a while ago, it was enough to give a sense of some of the bigger things at play Monday night in the Notre Dame-Alabama national championship game. This is a rivalry of the two greatest college football histories. But it’s also — especially to the people of the South, I suspect — between two symbols. This will be part football game, part culture conflict. It will be as if the line of scrimmage is the Mason-Dixon Line. Alabama football is a way of life. And it also is the seat of football in the South. It’s a cultural icon. Notre Dame is the nation’s team. Or, at least, the union’s. Those lines still mean something in the South. Strangely, there are still some hurt feelings about the Civil War, which, as I was politely informed while living there, is never to be called that, but instead the War Between the States, the War For Southern Independence or the War of Northern Aggression. Kirk McNair, who has written two books on Alabama football, including “What It Means To Be Crimson Tide,” is in Florida, where he’ll see his 34th consecutive Alabama bowl game.

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"an entire aisle at the grocery store dedicated to grits" Really? And we all have sex with our sisters too, right? What a snob. Explaining southern football passion to this guy would be like trying to teach a pig to read a watch. RTR
1 posted on 01/07/2013 7:56:36 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: BO Stinkss

No grits aisle in Mississippi


2 posted on 01/07/2013 7:59:55 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: BO Stinkss

Saw on ESPN last night, a presentation on very devoted AL football fans overjoyed that their team is in the BCS title game again.


3 posted on 01/07/2013 8:01:13 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: BO Stinkss
Notre Dame is the nation’s team

LMAO !



             

4 posted on 01/07/2013 8:01:39 AM PST by tomkat ( PAlabama says > > Roll Tide ! !)
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To: BO Stinkss

Some of the nicest, most polite people I’ve ever met were in Savannah, GA.


5 posted on 01/07/2013 8:02:46 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Sybeck1

I wish there was a “grits aisle.” There is only one grocery store I have found in the greater Nashville area that has real (slow cook) grits available. Maybe Nashville no longer qualifies as The South.


6 posted on 01/07/2013 8:03:10 AM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: BO Stinkss

Saw videos, including one of a father wearing a copy of the famous hat worn by the legendary coach Bear Byrant, finding out that his Christmas gift was a ticket to the BCS Bowl game.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 8:03:28 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: BO Stinkss

It was inside his hat.


8 posted on 01/07/2013 8:04:41 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: BO Stinkss

The so-called civil war as we were taught in school was about doing right, but the reality was it was a war the central government waged on We The People. It was nothing short of Democide led by lincoln, the worst president in US history.


9 posted on 01/07/2013 8:05:31 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: BO Stinkss
I live in a 'southern' town of about 14k population. It has a Christian college with about 1,500 students.

A couple of years ago, I was in a local grocery. A woman ahead of me in the aisle was talking on her cellphone and was talking loud enough that I could hear bits of her conversation. I assumed she was unfamiliar with the area, and so I assumed that she was a parent or relative of a college student at the local college.

At the end of one aisle, she stopped her cart and exclaimed to the listener, " ... and they have guns for sale ... IN THE GROCERY STORE."

I had to maneuver to get passed her and I saw the 'gun' in her comment. I was a rifle, but not full sized. I think it was either a plastic toy or a BB-type rifle. I chuckled and went on about my shopping.


10 posted on 01/07/2013 8:11:38 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Some of my best friends are Northerners.”


11 posted on 01/07/2013 8:12:54 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: BO Stinkss
Many of ND's players come from the South including its star QB.

2012 Notre Dame Football Roster

12 posted on 01/07/2013 8:13:16 AM PST by kabar
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To: BO Stinkss

I’ll say it is. NBC Sports’ high dollar product vs ESPN’s high dollar product.


13 posted on 01/07/2013 8:13:52 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: BO Stinkss

The only problem I have with this game is that I can’t root for a tie.

Hope you guys enjoy it, but I don’t like either one of them.


14 posted on 01/07/2013 8:17:34 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: BO Stinkss
"Notre Dame is the nation’s team. Or, at least, the union’s."

Well bless your heart.

15 posted on 01/07/2013 8:19:15 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: stylecouncilor; windcliff

16 posted on 01/07/2013 8:21:46 AM PST by onedoug
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To: BO Stinkss
The author is correct that the Alabama/Notre Dame "rivalry" dates to 1966; but he's way off on all his cultural comments.

And he missed the importance of 1966. It wasn't just that Alabama, as the only undefeated/untied team was passed over. It was that the 1966 title would have meant three in a row for Alabama.

17 posted on 01/07/2013 8:23:03 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: tomkat; BO Stinkss
Both of your replies are farcical.

For my entire life, I have cheered for my home state Wisconsin (and/or Marquette) AND whoever plays Notre Dame.

Over the last few years on football weekends I have started to also cheer for whoever plays against an SEC team AND - when SEC plays SEC - against whichever SEC team is ranked higher.

Which is America's team? This year's match-up for me is more like the Iraq-Iran War. I want them both to lose!

Here's my tipping point for tonight -

1) ESPN is the nation's #1 sports news outlet.
2) I hate ESPN and their liberal ownership and staff.
3) The SEC (and SEC-member school Alabama) is affiliated with ESPN and more often hyped by ESPN personalities.
4) Notre Dame is affilated ESPN competitor NBC Sports.
5) I am less likely to hear ESPN bleating about a Notre Dame championship than a Crimson Tide championship.
6) As a result, I'm left to cheer for the 'Domers.

Go Irish!!! (I guess)

18 posted on 01/07/2013 8:27:59 AM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: BO Stinkss

“The inferiority complex is still there in the South, where people think Northerners look down on them”

Surely he jests...Southerners think Northerners look down upon them? What would give him that idea? The irony is rich with this one.

But trust me, that attitude is met with a chuckle, and certainly not an ‘inferiority complex’. Exhibit A would be the exodus of people from Northern hell holes, and the population boom in the South. The South is a great place to live, and the people know it.


19 posted on 01/07/2013 8:31:42 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Sans-Culotte
It wasn't just that Alabama, as the only undefeated/untied team was passed over. It was that the 1966 title would have meant three in a row for Alabama.

I was at the barber shop Saturday and the 20 something girl cutting my hair was curious why all of her Alabama fan customers had such hard feelings for Notre Dame. I explained this piece of ancient history to her.

20 posted on 01/07/2013 8:31:49 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: BO Stinkss

No dentist south of the Mason-Dixon Line can find work. /s


21 posted on 01/07/2013 8:39:28 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: BO Stinkss
Elitists...


22 posted on 01/07/2013 8:40:28 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Liberty Valance

The “sweet irony” of it all is that, the best well-known Catholic cable channel broadcasts from where else, ALABAMA.


23 posted on 01/07/2013 8:45:50 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sideshow Bob

BTTT - This thread may yet become interesting...


24 posted on 01/07/2013 8:49:15 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: BO Stinkss
Catholics vs Cousins? More like Catholics vs Baptists except that college kids participation in church isn't that high these days. The hype of media around these BIG games is always to find something to whip up emotion amoung the masses. Nothing like calling us Southern boys hicks to rile us up I guess. I expect Bama to beat Notre Dame back to the middle ages in a not so good game from a stats perspective. Then every one will hit South Beach and get royaly drunk in a city that is neutral ground, neither northern nor southern.
25 posted on 01/07/2013 8:50:51 AM PST by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: BO Stinkss

I lived a good part of my life as a ‘yankee’ in Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama. I’ve never seen a grits aisle...even in Piggly Wiggly.


26 posted on 01/07/2013 8:53:22 AM PST by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: dblshot

I’m Catholic, and I say, “Roll Tide!” I hope they win by 50.


27 posted on 01/07/2013 8:54:03 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: tomkat
This game ( Bama will win easily) is a mere warm up for the start of SEC play this Sept. Bama plays TAMU at Kyle Field.

Tide wants revenge...looking for payback against Johnny Football. If the Aggies win...they are in a good position for the national championship..

Aggies gonna BTHO Tide..

28 posted on 01/07/2013 8:56:51 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: ken5050

It will be interesting to see how A&M rebuilds their offensive line...they are losing some guys that are going to be tough to replace.


29 posted on 01/07/2013 8:58:14 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: BO Stinkss

Go ‘Bama! I’m an Aggie who was skeptical of our move to the SEC. Well, I’m glad we did. We fit in with the other schools. We our proud of our Southern heritage.


30 posted on 01/07/2013 9:02:27 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: BO Stinkss

I’m in Alabama and over 50 years old and have never seen a grocery isle dedicated to grits. So there goes his credibility


31 posted on 01/07/2013 9:03:07 AM PST by Babashane
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To: Babashane
I’m in Alabama and over 50 years old and have never seen a grocery isle dedicated to grits. So there goes his credibility

Seems to me somebody has watched "My Cousin Vinny" one too many times.

32 posted on 01/07/2013 9:04:53 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: BO Stinkss

Oh, for God’s sake, just play the darn game already. This sort of meaningless pap, intended to fill column space, makes me wish both teams lose.


33 posted on 01/07/2013 9:05:24 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: BO Stinkss

Wish there was a way they both could lose. go ducks


34 posted on 01/07/2013 9:05:34 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: ken5050

I live in Bama although am a transplant from Georgia. Have lived all over the country (but my home will always be Georgia in my heart)

I’m a Crimson Tide fan, a Georgia Bulldog fan, Georgia Tech fan and a Johnny Football fan. Love that guy.


35 posted on 01/07/2013 9:10:24 AM PST by Babashane
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To: Babashane

If somebody’s all that worried about variety of grits, they’ll just go to the mill that ground them. Fine, medium, coarse, yellow, white, you name it, and ground fresh right there, from local farmers. We always bought Cherokee brand from the local mill when I was a kid. Getting harder to do now.


36 posted on 01/07/2013 9:15:14 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: dfwgator
The two O-lineman haven't announced yet they're going to the NFL..they might decide to stay and go for a national championship..Aggies have EIGHT home games next season..weird.I get the sense they will BOTH go or stay..TAMU has a great recruiting class coming in..and supposedly some more surprises yet to be announced. HS kids are impressionable..Aggies are HOT, Longhorns NOT..Texas isn't getting the best recruits anymore..Mack Brown may be on his way out..

FYI..John Hoover is a sport columnist for the Tulsa World..a good writer..here's a GREAT quote from a recent column after the Cotton Bowl:

"Texas A&M last year left the Big 12 for the SEC, and took the state of Texas with it." Really sums it up rather nicely, dontcha think?

BTW our Gators have some awesome recruits coming in..supposedly the # 1 or #2 class in the whole country. Still can't figure out what happened in the Sugar Bowl..I worry about the coming season..not sure if we have a QB..Coach Boom has been really quiet since the loss...maybe he ran himself into a wall...

37 posted on 01/07/2013 9:15:53 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

That is extremely amusing to anyone who has actually been to south bend. I think that is the first (and only) place I ever saw a sign depicting a car being towed with the caption “Solicit a prostitute, Lose your car.”


38 posted on 01/07/2013 9:20:53 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: BO Stinkss
I also had never seen an entire aisle at the grocery store dedicated to grits, the way they had it at the Piggly Wiggly.

What a bunch of hooey! I loathe this type of ignorant yankee snob.

39 posted on 01/07/2013 9:21:40 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dfwgator
How about graduation rates for the football players.

According to the NCAA

Notre Dame football graduates 97% of it's players.

Alabama football graduates 72%.

Just something else here for folks to fight about. ;~))

40 posted on 01/07/2013 9:21:50 AM PST by Ditto
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To: logitech

Northern Snobbery PING! ROLL TIDE!


41 posted on 01/07/2013 9:21:50 AM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: BO Stinkss

This game should be between Bama and Oregon.


42 posted on 01/07/2013 9:23:11 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Ditto

The co-eds at Alabama are much better looking than the ND women.


43 posted on 01/07/2013 9:31:04 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: BO Stinkss
As an Alabama native, UGA alum, and the progeny of a Yankee(ME)/Rebel(AL) very loving marriage, my view is that not much has changed under the sun ...

1. The madness of college athletic team loyalty is widespread across the nation, especially football and basketball.

2. The worst=loudest/most obnoxious fans (and this especially applies to ND and UA) are those who never attended the school or had family who attended the school.

3. It boils down to the basic psychology of people wanting to associate with/be identified as a winner, especially if their own lives have not worked out so well.

4. Sports marketing at every level has refined the old Roman principle of "bread and circuses" to district the great unwashed masses from their problems.

5. Much is made about Roman Catholic allegiance to ND. The UA football coach, Nick Saban, is a devout Roman Catholic.

6. The majority of elite college football teams are comprised of >70% black athletes while black male enrollments at these schools are generally <4%.

7. The football programs at AU, UGA, UF, FSU, and others are plagued with bad behavior by thug athletes.

8. Major academic scandals involving black athletes continue to be revealed, e.g., UNC-Chapel Hill.

I learned at an early age in life to become an "ABB" = "anybody but (the University of Ala-)fan principally because of the bad behavior I observed exhibited by UA fans. I look at how the Roman Catholic administration at ND has embraced BHO and homosexual rights. Net result - I don't have a dog in this BCS fight. If the game were to be played on SAT, and UA lost, church attendence across the state of AL the next morning would be very skimpy.

44 posted on 01/07/2013 9:34:40 AM PST by MacNaughton
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To: BO Stinkss

Most of the time, I’ll take a Northern school over a Western one, a Southern school over a Northern one, a Texas school over a Southern one ... and anybody over LSU, OU or USC.

For today, Roll Tide. Otherwise, Hook ‘em.

SnakeDoc


45 posted on 01/07/2013 9:38:02 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Come and take it.)
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To: Ditto

“Notre Dame football graduates 97% of it’s players.
Alabama football graduates 72%.”

That’s excellant for both schools. But when you compare to overall graduation rates:
ND 90%
Uof A 65%

So compared to the school average Alabama is +7 for FB players while ND is -7.


46 posted on 01/07/2013 9:46:52 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: SeaHawkFan
The co-eds at Alabama are much better looking than the ND women.

Amen to that!

ROLL TIDE!

47 posted on 01/07/2013 9:51:33 AM PST by mcmuffin (Freedom's On The March - Wave Goodbye!)
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To: kabar

And where do many of Alabama’s star players come from, Alabama?


48 posted on 01/07/2013 9:53:41 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Some of the nicest, most polite people I’ve ever met were in Savannah, GA.”

Why Yes, Yes we are!


49 posted on 01/07/2013 9:56:45 AM PST by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: SeaHawkFan
The co-eds at Alabama are much better looking than the ND women.

LOL. You are a trouble maker. ;~))

vs.

50 posted on 01/07/2013 9:59:45 AM PST by Ditto
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