If anyone asks, THIS is why we need AR's (vanity)

Red in Blue PA

[Red in Blue PA]

The fact of the matter is that nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting in the 1800's when:

-there were no background checks

-there were no age limits

-there were no waiting periods

-there were no arbitrary gun restrictions

-guns were much more easily accessible to kids

-gun safes practically did not even exist

-gun locks did not exist at all

-lever action guns in skilled hands can fire almost as fast as a semi auto AR

With all of this, still nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting during this time.

It's the culture stupid......it ain't the guns.

And the Second Amendment was never about duck hunting or target practice; it was about stopping tyranny from taking hold. The Founding Fathers were very clear on this and this can seen in their opinions ("it is the duty of every man to at all times be armed"-Thomas Jefferson) The Second Amendment was meant to be a checks and balances, so to speak, similar to the three branches of government. It was precisely designed to act as a Sword of Damacles, which hangs over the head over every single politician.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."-Thomas Jefferson

[Red in Blue PA]

The guy with this Civil War era lever action rifle can fire it about as fast as any AR-15.

Start at second 21.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BwUJ4--Qw

[Red in Blue PA]

Start at Second 21.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BwUJ4—Qw

[BCR #226]

One correction, that isn’t a civil war era gun. Post civil war.

[Bryanw92]

In the 1800’s and up until the 1990’s, young men were to busy working to feel alienated and angsty and too tired to go on shooting sprees. They also put all their excess energy into pursuing a mate, getting her pregnant, and then working even more to support the baby.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I can give you three.

1760. Pennsylvania school house massacre. (Indians)

1812 Ft dearborne school children massacre (1 Indian with a tomahawk killed I believe 12 children)

1866 Hamilton TX school house massacre (Comanches)

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

http://baggetthistory.com/indian_raid.html

INDIAN ATTACKS ON THE TEXAS FRONTIER
PUBLISHED IN 1889 BY E. L. DEATON
A SCHOOL HOUSE TRAGEDY

There are several more alleged Indian raids on schoolhouses, but they are poorly documented, and some were part of larger raids on settlements.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

The weapon in the video is post-civil war gun. Looks like a Winchester, the first Winchester lever gun was put out in '66.

However, the Henry lever-action repeating rifle ("yellow-boy") was used by some union regiments towards the end of the war, Its pretty heavily featured in that show "hell on wheels." Anyway, THAT is a civil-war era gun capable of similar rapid fire.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

Indian attacks don’t really “count.”

[AndyTheBear]

Your quote of Jefferson seems to be misattributed.

[bigtoona]

The key is that kids didn’t kill people or do mass murder. I never saw kids killing people until the 80’s. And since then they seem to be getting younger and younger.

[wastoute]

I can’t remember who said it but some was asked in a hearing by Feinstein IIRC why he needed an AR. His answer was PRICELESS. “Because you don’t want me to have one!”. Shut her up. Probably the only time ever.

[mnehring]

The fact of the matter is that nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting in the 1800's when:

Sorry, just to make sure we keep things factual, school shootings are not new. Humanity by nature is violent. (the following are just the notable ones considering that news wasn't national, not everything may have been reported as to have been picked up.)

• November 2, 1853: Louisville, Kentucky A student, Matthew Ward, bought a self-cocking pistol in the morning, went to school and killed schoolmaster Mr. Butler for excessively punishing his brother the day before. Even though he shot the schoolmaster point blank in front of his classmates, he was acquitted.^[2]
• June 8, 1867: New York City At Public School No. 18, a 13 year old boy brought a pistol loaded and capped, without the knowledge of his parents or school-teachers, and shot and injured a classmate.^[3]
• December 22, 1868: Chattanooga, Tennessee A boy who refused to be whipped and left school, returned, with his brother and a friend, the next day to seek revenge on his teacher. Not finding the teacher at the school, they continued to his house, where a gun battle rang out, leaving three dead. Only the brother survived.^[4]
• March 9, 1873: Salisbury, Maryland After school as Miss Shockley was walking with four small children, she was approached by a Mr. Hall and shot. The Schoolmaster ran out, but Miss Shockley had died instantly. Hall threw himself under a train that night.^[5]
• May 24, 1879: Lancaster, New York As the carriage loaded with female students was pulling out of the school's stables, Frank Shugart, a telegraph operator, shot and severely injured Mr. Carr, Superintendent of the stables.^[6]
• March 6, 1884: Boston, Massachusetts As news of Jesse James reached the east coast, young kids started to act in the same manner. An article from the New York Times reads, Another "Jesse James" Gang - Word was brought to the Fifth Police Station to-night that a number of boys were using the Concord-street School-house for some unknown purpose, and a posse of officers was sent to investigate. The gang scattered at the approach of the police, and in their flight one drew a revolver and fired at Officer Rowan, without effect, however. William Nangle, age 14, and Sidney Duncan, age 12, were captured, but the other five or six escaped, among them the one who did the shooting. The boys refused to disclose the object of their meeting, but it is thought that another "Jesse James" organization has been broken up.^[7]
• March 15, 1884: Gainesville, Georgia In the middle of the day, a group of very drunk Jackson County farmers left the Jug Tavern drinking and shooting their revolvers as they headed down the street driving people into their homes. As they approached the female academy, the girls fled the schoolyard into the school where the gang followed swearing and shooting, firing several rounds into the front door. No one was hurt.^[8]
• June 12, 1887: Cleveland, Tennessee Will Guess went to the school and fatally shot Miss Irene Fann, his little sister's teacher, for whipping her the day before.^[9]
• June 13, 1889: New Brunswick, New Jersey Charles Crawford, upset over an argument with a school Trustee, went up to the window and fired a pistol into a crowded school room. The bullet lodged in the wall just above the teacher's head.^[10]
• April 9, 1891: The first known mass shooting in the U.S. where students were shot, when 70 year old James Foster fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, Newburgh, New York, causing minor injuries to several of the students.^[11] The majority of attacks during this time period by students on other students or teachers usually involved stabbing with knives or hitting with stones.

[Inyo-Mono]

The weapon in the video is post-civil war gun. Looks like a Winchester, the first Winchester lever gun was put out in '66.

However, the Henry lever-action repeating rifle ("yellow-boy") was used by some union regiments towards the end of the war, Its pretty heavily featured in that show "hell on wheels." Anyway, THAT is a civil-war era gun capable of similar rapid fire.

You are correct on most points, however the 1866 Wichester was known as the Yellow Boy because of the brass frame and the Civil War Henry was simple known as the "Henry Rifle." Looks like the cowboy is shooting a replica 1894 Winchester, maybe made by or Rossi or Uberti.

[I cannot think of a name]

“It’s the culture stupid......it ain’t the guns.”

pssst, I’ll let you in on another little secret that the lamestream media will never discuss:

Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Jared Loughner, James Holmes, and Adam Lanza

Some from broken homes, some from nuclear families, some from money, some from poverty, different levels of education, different parts of the country, and yet one thing absolutely common with ALL of them -

No relationship of any type with the opposite sex.

The mind of a NORMAL 15 year old boy should be: girls, girls, girls.

Of course the problem with ever discussing this is the fact that liberals and the lamestream media are doing there best to convince everyone that not being interested in girls is just as normal as being interested in them (if not, how else can you make the case that homosexuality is ‘normal’).

But the fact remains: any teenage male that would prefer to hide out in a basement and play violet video games rather than be out trying to meet girls - ain’t normal. Somebody will probably find a reason to flame this comment - but I am sorry. Wanting to be around girls, wanting have some sort of relationship with girls, hell just wanting to walk down the street with a girl - it’s what we do, we’re guys. And being attracted to the opposite sex IS what is NORMAL.

[GenXteacher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVCwYPjFXc

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I have this old test of the .44 Rf Henry Rifle.

15 shot magazine,yet they could still get off 25 aimed shots a minute.

Government tests showed a Henry could get off 120 shots in five minutes, including loading.

During the Civil War, Captain James M Wilson was attacked by seven guerrillas who were set on killing him. With the Henry he shot all seven instead.

Should the Henry be banned as it held 15 cartridges?

[MileHi]

The fact of the matter is that nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting in the 1800's when:

-there were no background checks

-there were no age limits

-there were no waiting periods

-there were no arbitrary gun restrictions

-guns were much more easily accessible to kids

-gun safes practically did not even exist

-gun locks did not exist at all

-lever action guns in skilled hands can fire almost as fast as a semi auto AR

And no question at all that someone would shoot them dead on the spot if they tried that crap.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Not all were shootings.

On October 8,1870, in Canton Mass, Miss Etta Barstow was stoned to death by four of her class boys because she gave them a “slight reprimand”.

[Paladin2]

"...lever action guns in skilled hands can fire almost as fast as a semi auto AR "

Yep, cowboy gunz rule. Especiazlly antique cowboy gunz.

[PMAS]

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