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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 47 NOVEMBER 23, 2012
Free Republic | Nov, 23, 2012 | greeneyes

Posted on 11/23/2012 10:54:50 AM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!


TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: agriculture; food; gardening; hobbies
Greetings from Missouri. Beautiful sunny day and a nippy 45 degrees. The winter garden still grows as long as the temperature is 35 degrees or more!

Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. I am thankful to report that Applegate Ranch has reported that JDAB is alive and well. Thanks for the research AR.

I am still eating on the homegrown tomato harvest which is now various colors of red and only a handful of small green ones. They made an attractive holiday display.LOL.

Got almost all of the rye and winter wheat seeded. It was so warm this week, that I took off all the row covers for 3 or 4 days and let everything soak up the sun, wind, and rain. It kinda looked like spring and felt that way too.

Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 11/23/2012 10:54:59 AM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the list.


2 posted on 11/23/2012 10:57:38 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Hi Everybody!

Happy Thanksgiving!


3 posted on 11/23/2012 11:01:05 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: left that other site

Right back at you! It is just a glorious day today.(big smiles all around).


4 posted on 11/23/2012 11:03:28 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

It is lovely here too! I have to work this afternoon (which means using the car) but maybe this evening I will take a little zip on the Harley.


5 posted on 11/23/2012 11:04:40 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: greeneyes
Happy Thanks Giving to you too.

With a few days off I'm putting up seed packets from seed stock that I dried in the coldframe and getting little pots ready for starting this springs crop in the green house.

Buttercrunch lettuce is thick and tall in the garden and the kale, cabbage, turnips, carrots are almost there.


Save your own seeds!
6 posted on 11/23/2012 11:15:20 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (Stand for something or fall for anything.)
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To: left that other site

Daughter has to work. Babysitting with grand daughter. Another Grand daughter just came in from college, so had to chat and catch up.


7 posted on 11/23/2012 11:56:29 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: John 3_19-21

I have just been putting up some dried herbs in jars today too. I have quite a few seeds from 2011 harvest. This year’s crop was pitiful, so didn’t get too many seeds.


8 posted on 11/23/2012 11:58:09 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

It’s a cloudy 74º in the Hill Country today.
I moved the majority of my potted plants into the greenhouse for safekeeping. All the pepper plants are still producing, and I harvested my first batch of peanuts yesterday.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 12:16:42 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Sarajevo

Sounds like beautiful weather. I am going to try peanuts again in the Spring. We didn’t have very good crop in 2010, so I’ll work on soil and hope for better return.


10 posted on 11/23/2012 12:22:22 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Sarajevo

Hope you’re enjoying your weather. We went from low 60’s yesterday (record highs here) to down into the teens overnight. Darn near from summer to winter overnight. But hey, it’s not often you can sit outside and eat your Thanksgiving dinner in comfort. :o)


11 posted on 11/23/2012 12:40:45 PM PST by Ladysmith (Every time another lib loses its job, an angel gets its wings.)
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To: greeneyes
I got to spend Wed night and Thanksgiving with my kids and grandkids. It's great, ain't it?

Got a question about rosemary. I found a package of rosemary seeds a couple of months ago, and planted about 24 in pots. 4 or 5 came up, 1 has survived, and it looks pretty good.

I'm keeping it outside in a 3" pot, and we've had one frost so far, it survived it well, but the thing isn't even an inch tall.

What in the wide, wide world of sports do I do with it over the winter? Bring it in? Replant it in a larger pot and leave it in a protected spot?

I've had bad luck with rosemary on this property, neighbor's is doing great.

/johnny

12 posted on 11/23/2012 1:17:54 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes; All
New weather models out for DT's winter forecast. Personally, I like my winters milder rather than colder. Here's the 'operative' sentences from his latest analysis:

The Chinese climate model did a remarkable job with the drought during the summer. I have no idea if the models correct are not with its winter forecast but it shows a pretty impressive pattern for the East Coast. In fact if the Chinese models correct this would be a historic winter for most of the East Coast as well as the Tennessee Valley and the lower Midwest.

***UPDATE ON CLIMATE MODEL FOR WINTER 2012-13 ***

13 posted on 11/23/2012 1:21:08 PM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: John 3_19-21
I'm on year 5 of my adapted jalapenos. I pulled the plants the other day and hung them to prep for seed.

The nice part of saving seed is that you can shape the characteristics of the plants.

/johnny

14 posted on 11/23/2012 1:37:56 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Took advantage of the warm weather and the day off to put the garden to bed for the winter. Still have some Russian Kale, chard and collards.


15 posted on 11/23/2012 1:42:05 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: JRandomFreeper

I don’t think it will survive indoors. It is too dry. I have had no success over several years indoors.

I am not sure what zone you are in. I am in zone 5-6. Mine is planted out doors in a sheltered spot behind the house to see if that will work.

I have a cement retaining wall in back of the bed, and Milk Jugs of water on the sides(works better if painted black). It faces south west. I covered it with a row cover which is good down to 28 degrees. This lets in a good deal of sun and moisture, so I don’t have to adjust it on a daily basis.

As the weather gets colder, I put a second layer of row cover on it, and cover it with straw as needed. Sometimes I cover it with a thin, old styrofoam matteress about 3/4 inch thick. If I have an unusually nice day, I roll the cover back and let the full sun in, water etc.

This has worked well for my winter garden in the past. I have grown lettuce and a few other crops year round this way. I am hoping it will work for the rosemary.

I have also been giving some thought as to how to rig up a light bulb in case we ever get a colder than usual winter. Course, I would really like a green house, but no way to afford it, so I just improvise with what I have.

If you get sunny days, and have a bunch of rocks, these can be stacked around it with some sort of cover that lets in the sun. Plastic might have to be adjusted to avoid too much heat. The rocks will absorb the heat in the daytime, and release it at night.


16 posted on 11/23/2012 2:13:02 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: MissMagnolia

Define HISTORIC, please. Would that be cold, mild, other?


17 posted on 11/23/2012 2:15:21 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: dirtboy

Took advantage of the warm weather and the day off to put the garden to bed for the winter.
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Something very satisfying about these simple activities; It always makes me feel a certain sense of accomplishment to get the outdoor chores done.


18 posted on 11/23/2012 2:18:53 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

“Historic” for us would be very cold and a lot of snow. :-(


19 posted on 11/23/2012 3:16:42 PM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: greeneyes
Thanks for the input. I've cleared out part of the herb garden and I'll repot it into a 6", and overwinter it there. I can keep that space sorta warmish (not frozen solid).

I'm in 8a, nominally, but my microclimate on the north of the property can get much colder than the rest of the property.

/johnny

20 posted on 11/23/2012 3:17:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes; All
Thanksgiving Day morning we were up early because we had to travel to feast with family. I went out before dawn to see if the paper had arrived and as I walked back down the driveway I heard rustling in the leaves that are piled up under the maple trees along the driveway. For a second or two, I thought it was a cat .... and then it dawned on me it was probably a skunk. It was so dark, it was hard to see exactly what was going on. I quickly got back to the house & grabbed the camera. Once if figured out how to turn the flash on, I started snapping pictures. It was a young skunk (family of 5 babies this summer in the brush pile) and he was really rooting around in the leaves - not scared of me one bit, nor the camera flash although I noticed that the only part of his anatomy that was mosly facing my way was the 'business' end. Definitely Critterville around here!

 
2012-11-22 [1] Skunk under maple tree
2012-11-22 [10] Skunk

Yes, I tempted fate and got pretty close!

21 posted on 11/23/2012 3:27:29 PM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: greeneyes

I just realized i have to work tomorrow too! I had forgotten that I had book make-up lessons for my thanksgiving day students! Eek.

Oh well...money in the bank.


22 posted on 11/23/2012 3:47:34 PM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ask your neighbor what he does with his! I’ve never had luck keeping Rosemary over the winter, except when I lived in CA where it grows like a shrub and you have to prune it to keep it from taking over! LOL. I’ve never had luck bringing it in (indoor climate is too dry, I think). Perhaps if you had a guest bathroom where it could live and you could keep the temperature down, it might survive. Otherwise, a sheltered area in the yard would be best.

Where are you in TX? In some parts of TX, it might survive in a rock garden where the heat of the stones kept it warmer and the overall climate is not too harsh. (I’m thinking Houston.)


23 posted on 11/23/2012 4:16:14 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: MissMagnolia

I was afraid of that, but hoping for historic mild winter. LOL.


24 posted on 11/23/2012 4:19:58 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well, you are generally warmer than we are then. We have very little luck with anything on the northern part of our property.

Just the trees that were here when we bought it. That’s the only thing that ever survives.


25 posted on 11/23/2012 4:22:49 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: MissMagnolia

No way! I would never go toward a skunk.LOL.


26 posted on 11/23/2012 4:24:46 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: left that other site

Nah. Don’t put that money in the bank! Spend it or buy gold or silver.LOL. Contrary to Government stats - there is a lot of inflation goin’ on ‘round here.

Helicopter Ben Bernake is printing as fast as he can. That dollar is loosing value daily.


27 posted on 11/23/2012 4:28:13 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Two lovely days here in Benderville also and looking forward to Left Over Turkey dinner (I had it for breakfast also) . All our immediate family was here except for one girlfriend, my grandson’s not mine, and for the first time in 55 years Lady Bender asked for help on SOME of the side dishes. (a very good move for several reasons).Today I did some cleanup here and then I went over to our Church while the Mrs gave home communion to a homebound member. I took down the 10 hole grow bags that had Impatiens in them and then I used my leaf blower to clean the Redwood needles off the parking lot and driveway.

Thank You Lord for giving me the strength and means to do that...


28 posted on 11/23/2012 4:29:24 PM PST by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: greeneyes

I hear ya.


29 posted on 11/23/2012 4:34:08 PM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: MissMagnolia

My Dear Miss Mag Olia please fell free to to that any day of the year EXCEPT on the morning of your departure to have a Festive Dinner with Family and FRiends (One and the same I hope).


30 posted on 11/23/2012 4:34:16 PM PST by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Neighbor planted his about 35 years ago, and treats it like a hedge today. I collect the dead wood from it to use for smoking chicken, sometimes.

I've never been able to get rosemary to really start. If I buy a potted rosemary from the nursery in the spring, we have a drought, and it dies. Planting the packet of seed where 1 has lived, was an act of faith and what-the-heck.

I find I've developed an emotional attachment to the one that survived so far. ;)

I have a feeling it may be like Sacher tortes were for me in culinary school. Know the theory. Do the steps. Never, ever works.

I'll bet I don't stop trying. ;)

/johnny

31 posted on 11/23/2012 4:34:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes
Happy Thanksgiving.

I'm happy to hear good news about JADB

Not much new in the garden. Wife pulled up the remains of the tomato and pepper plants, and took down the tomato stakes. Next item of business is to get our soil samples off the the lab and make the necessary changes.

We did have some excitement this week. On Wed morning at 5am, my wife woke me to the announcement that one of my trucks was not in the driveway. After the Sheriff left the house, the sun was up and I went looking for it myself and found it quickly, about 1/4 mile down the road in the edge of the woods, stuck in mud up to it's axles. At least I got it back unwrecked.

32 posted on 11/23/2012 4:50:44 PM PST by rightly_dividing (Left behind; 4 Americans in Libya)
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To: tubebender

Glad you had a good day. I give thanks every day for what I can still do. More and more I realize what a gift it is.

My girls were anxious to start bringing in some of their creations, so years ago we started to divy up the effort. If not for that, I would be asking for some help by now too.

Treated myself to a brand new server/cooker. It has 3-2.5 qt. crock pot cookers all in a row. I was able to cook all my sides in that on the buffet, then turn it to warm till they arrived. That just left the bread and stuffing for me to do in the oven.


33 posted on 11/23/2012 5:04:01 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rightly_dividing

So you had a lucky outcome, Thanksgiving day story for sure!


34 posted on 11/23/2012 5:05:27 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tubebender

My only excuse for such ‘daring’ .... I hadn’t had my coffee yet & wasn’t thinking too clearly!


35 posted on 11/23/2012 5:28:07 PM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: greeneyes

Had to cover up the planters. Area wide below freezing warning for tonight.


36 posted on 11/24/2012 1:33:33 PM PST by tob2 (R.I.P Larry Hagman :()
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To: JRandomFreeper

Rosemary is notorious for being difficult to start. It likes moist but well-drained soil, hates wet feet, and doesn’t like sudden temperature changes such as what happens when you bring it in from outside.

Good luck! It’s one of my favorite seasonings, and I’ve never gotten it to survive more than a couple of months.


37 posted on 11/24/2012 1:41:07 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Ellendra
I'll do my part and leave the outcome in His hands. I would like to have rosemary on this property. I know my neighbor does well with his 30 year old hedge of it.

/johnny

38 posted on 11/24/2012 2:14:09 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tob2

Yeh, we had below freezing last night. At 9am this morning, it was 0 degrees C freezing on the nose. IIRC, it may go up a few degrees tomorrow.


39 posted on 11/24/2012 8:13:26 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Have you tried taking some cuttings from his plant and getting some started that way?. My late brother in law was a whizz at starting cuttings so I never had to try myself. You can probably find a YouTube video on the subject?


40 posted on 11/24/2012 9:12:53 PM PST by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: tubebender
Neighbor did, since he's the whiz-bang old guy that can do it.

They died when planted on this property. It grows other stuff great. I get peppers, tobacco, tomatoes, okra, etc.. without a problem.

/johnny

41 posted on 11/24/2012 9:21:03 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

WoW... Is this a across the fence neighbor or a down the street neighbor that the soils are different?


42 posted on 11/24/2012 9:29:10 PM PST by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: tubebender
Back fence neighbor, west of me. Less than 50 meters away, from plant to plant.

Same soil, only my sand is a little deeper, when you get to that layer.

I've been here for over 50 years on the same property, off and on.

I don't get it, unless it's for the sins of my youth.

/johnny

43 posted on 11/24/2012 9:32:22 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well there ya go!!! You’ll need to call in the Big Gun to solve your problem (aka your Pastor)


44 posted on 11/24/2012 10:31:24 PM PST by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: tubebender
Have you tried taking some cuttings from his plant and getting some started that way?

I've had good luck starting rosemary from cuttings.

I take a cleanly cut stem, strip off the leaves as deeply as I intend to plant, and then treat that end with rooting hormone.

The treated stem is planted in moist sterile medium, and that pot is covered in plastic (don't all the leaves to touch the plastic)to keep the moisture even. Keep in bright light BUT NOT direct sunlight. Check for roots after 3-4 weeks; if the roots have started growing, remove the plastic. After there is vigorous root growth, replant in soil.
45 posted on 11/25/2012 7:51:59 AM PST by Nepeta
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To: greeneyes
I took advantage of the weather and planted another 250 Sq Ft of cover crop after Church today. I use this 50 year old Wheel Hoe with the weeding knives to stir the soil before and after planting the seed of Oats, Common Vetch and Austrian Field Peas


46 posted on 11/25/2012 7:51:27 PM PST by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: tubebender

I like the looks of that wheel hoe. Low tech works best for me.LOL.


47 posted on 11/26/2012 2:57:43 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Buy good tools and take care of them and they will last for years and years...


48 posted on 11/26/2012 7:41:49 AM PST by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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