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Career advice sought for daughter separating from Navy
MHIL-E | 11/13/2012 | MHIL-E

Posted on 11/13/2012 8:41:25 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett

My daughter who is currently in Naples, Italy is being separated unexpectedly from the Navy. Not sure if this will be Administrative or Honorable. She has a TS clearance and a clean Navy record except for failing PRT. She is planning on using the GI bill and continuing with college and applying in the mil contractor field when she is back stateside. She has college credits started towards a major in Criminology (she's changing it to Criminal Justice, she says) and minor in History. With everything that is going on with our military and 3 letter agencies, I'm concerned that this may not be the wisest choice when it comes to job choices or a degree. Can anyone give any solid alternative ideas for her to check into?


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I'm wondering what her job options are with having a TS clearance (Intel) beside contractor work or government agencies.
1 posted on 11/13/2012 8:41:35 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Teacher............


2 posted on 11/13/2012 8:47:13 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
Administrative Discharge covers several possibilities that will affect her employability:http://www.militarylawyers.com/Administrative_Discharge.html
3 posted on 11/13/2012 8:47:35 AM PST by Truth29
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Interesting you’re not sure if this is administrative or honorable. If the discharge is other than honorable, it may hinder her employment opportunities.

Though her stated interests center around criminal justice, she may want approach some of the government contracting firms such as Booz-Allen, L-3, Northrop-Grumman, etc. Her job prospects will also hinge on where she settles once she leaves the Navy.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 8:47:43 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Well, it makes a big difference about being able to use what clearance she has if you are unsure about how she is being separated. The conditions of separation can affect future clearance status, particularly with less-than-honorable situations.

If her clearance status is going to remain good, then almost any degree in a non-liberal arts discipline would help her. She could even get a government GS-level job where they possibly help complete her degree work.


5 posted on 11/13/2012 8:48:32 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Is she committed to leaving the Navy right now? I’m a retired Air Force guy, but I thought that there used to be a remedial PRT “school” or Navy training activity in the San Diego area which gave sailors one last chance. She should ask her chain of command to be sure there aren’t any last options available.

If she is leaving, she needs to do all that’s possible in obtaining an honorable discharge on her records.


6 posted on 11/13/2012 8:49:11 AM PST by Skybird
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

As indicated by Truth29, the type and adjudication of discharge will play a vitally important part of her employability in the defense contracting world. But just as important are her rate and rank, and what NECs she holds.


7 posted on 11/13/2012 8:50:12 AM PST by Senior Chief (Here I am, right where I left myself.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

What was her specialty in the Navy? Where does she want to live?


8 posted on 11/13/2012 8:51:41 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: ScottinVA

The PRT just happened today.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 8:52:01 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

What is PRT?


10 posted on 11/13/2012 8:53:08 AM PST by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

As indicated by Truth29, the type and adjudication of discharge will play a vitally important part of her employability in the defense contracting world. But just as important are her rate and rank, and what NECs she holds.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 8:54:05 AM PST by Senior Chief (Here I am, right where I left myself.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

From OPNAV6110.1 Jul 2011:
“Members failing to meet PFA standards three times in
the most recent 4-year period shall be processed for
administrative separation (ADSEP) from the Navy.”

so it looks like admin sep for her, sorry to say. I saw another post that had a link for info regarding job opportunities.

Recommend she use the GI Bill to obtain computer or nursing related job. Not teaching!!!! Get something that is portable, i.e. either done at home over computer, or easily relicensed wherever she desires to live. If she if mechanically minded, medical equipment repair technicians usually start out with 6 figure salaries...

Best of luck to her; don’t let her PRT performance get her down. Nowadays the military wants Olympic athletes to do everything. Just one more way to minimalize our military. She’ll probably be better off in the long run...


12 posted on 11/13/2012 8:54:18 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Failing a PRT is not a reason for a less than honorabe discharge. It is going to be very important to her to make sure she does get an honorable discharge if she is interested in anything needing a clearance or having to do with law enforcement. She needs to discuss this with her Command Master Chief and maybe JAG if there is any question about that. From what you have stated I don’t see a problem.

A TS clearence is better than nothing but won’t get you a job. Depends on what her rating is and experience doing that. Good luck and thanks to her for her service.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 8:54:30 AM PST by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
www.clearancejobs.com
14 posted on 11/13/2012 8:54:47 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("Our president ... makes big speeches packed full of little ideas" Charles C. W. Cooke)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Depending on what she wants to do with the Criminology degree, I think she has a good plan. It is essentially what I did. She can also interview with any of the alphabet agencies and have an advantage because of her service and even moreso for her clearance.

In my case, I ultimately turned down the job that was offered because of cost of living in the DC area vs cost of living in Fort Worth.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 8:55:09 AM PST by Peanut Gallery
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

She will want to find a job quickly that requires her to have an existing TS clearance. Here is a good location for her to search for jobs: http://www.clearancejobs.com/

If she really wants to make a ton of money, and if she is into computers, have her look at the Cisco certifications after she gets her clearance job. Might take her some time to pick up the skills, but it will open up a solid six figure income.

Now to answer your question more directly ... there are very few clearance jobs outside of contractor / government work.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 8:55:15 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
Your daugher may not like government dependent work in the future America under DemoRat control, it might not be wise to invest in it.
17 posted on 11/13/2012 8:55:40 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: LADY J

Fitness- Physical Readiness Test


18 posted on 11/13/2012 8:56:07 AM PST by Baynative
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To: Senior Chief

NEC is 3923 (Strike Analyst). She knows someone who worked same job as her and was separated for the same reason who had no problem getting contractor work. She also says that failing PRT is not looked at as a reason that would make her unemployable in the Intel/Contractor field.


19 posted on 11/13/2012 8:56:28 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: sassy steel magnolia

I stand corrected, sheese. I’d still try to wiggle out of it.


20 posted on 11/13/2012 8:57:09 AM PST by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
If she's getting a Honorable discharge, have her check out this web site. They list jobs only available to people with a security clearance:

clearancejobs.com

21 posted on 11/13/2012 8:57:37 AM PST by Scutter
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yep, me too. Especially if her record is sterling, and she has had top ratings on her FITREPs.

So glad I’m no longer in the military...


22 posted on 11/13/2012 8:59:13 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: Baynative

Thank you for your reply.


23 posted on 11/13/2012 9:01:23 AM PST by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

I’m a senior chief... I can tell you she will be separated for failing the PRT but it well be honorable and won’t affect her job opportunities after... There are plenty of opportunities in criminal justice and an active TS will get her a higher salary. I think she is on the right track going into a fields with plenty of opportunity. Is she an MA?


24 posted on 11/13/2012 9:03:09 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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I'm wondering what her job options are with having a TS clearance (Intel) beside contractor work or government agencies

Plenty of jobs for a TS cleared person, but she will need to move to the DC area for them.

25 posted on 11/13/2012 9:06:03 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

If she is going to attend college full-time and is looking for work around her school schedule, she may wish to check with Home Depot. They seem to like to hire those just out of the military. I know several who worked there after completing their enlistments, while going to school. I think they even received tuition assistance from HD in addition to their GI Bill benefits (and HD pay).


26 posted on 11/13/2012 9:06:10 AM PST by NEMDF
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Tell her to get her degree and then worry about a job....the new GI bill will cover all her edu and provide rent $...it isn’t like the old GI bill.


27 posted on 11/13/2012 9:07:41 AM PST by superfries
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To: sassy steel magnolia

She has a good attitude so far. She worked hard, but didn’t make it this time. With the dang way they measure, she didn’t pass this time. Her neck is thin compared to her waist and hips. She had failed two and passed the one prior to this. But that makes 3 and she’s out. She’s going to ask the Command if she can stay until June (when she was supposed to transfer back stateside anyway) to get her affairs in order and also be there for the benefit of the Command. (They will be short without her.) She is very good at what she does.


28 posted on 11/13/2012 9:07:41 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: ScottinVA

She will be staying with her sister (Navy, Suitland) and I in Fairfax, VA.


29 posted on 11/13/2012 9:09:21 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Steer her away from Criminology; unless she plans to get a P.H.D. and teach. A degree in Criminology is superfluous if she plans to go into law enforcement of any kind, because they’ll teach her what they want her to know.


30 posted on 11/13/2012 9:13:01 AM PST by old school
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To: LADY J

2012 Navy Physical Fitness Standards
http://www.navy-prt.com/


31 posted on 11/13/2012 9:13:46 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Concur with the assessment on the PRT issue. Do you know what rate she is, and what rank she’ll be discharged at?


32 posted on 11/13/2012 9:14:20 AM PST by Senior Chief (Here I am, right where I left myself.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

OK.. recommend she contact the three firms I mentioned.


33 posted on 11/13/2012 9:15:31 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Senior Chief

I posted her NEC above. She is E5 with 7 years in.


34 posted on 11/13/2012 9:16:52 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: ScottinVA

Thank you ScottinVa. I gave the link to this thread. :~)


35 posted on 11/13/2012 9:18:12 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Stay away from Criminal Justice, Law Enforcement or anything of that ilk. I have a Masters in CJ Aministration, 11 years experience and never got a chance to use the degree. If you don’t have a rabbi, or a hook, you can NEVER get into any job worth the expense. I’d advise her to go into Safety, pollution control, HAZ-Mat or any of those other related areas. From cop to Safety was a $25,000 raise per year.


36 posted on 11/13/2012 9:18:12 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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If the discharge is other than honorable, it may hinder her employment opportunities....I don’t believe that. Most HR people have no IDEA what a 214 is. They don’t know codes, MOS or any of that stuff unless they are a DOD contractor. And even then, pffft.


37 posted on 11/13/2012 9:21:11 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: ViLaLuz

She is an IS, but she worked TAD in security aboard the Lincoln for 10 months, I believe.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 9:22:41 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: sassy steel magnolia
medical equipment repair technicians usually start out with 6 figure salaries...

BS

39 posted on 11/13/2012 9:26:59 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

What rate is she?


40 posted on 11/13/2012 9:28:36 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Skybird

There aren’t any last options in the Navy the way it’s changed in the last couple years. Just trying to help her make the best choice for her now considering our messed up government and job market being what it is and is going to deteriorate to.


41 posted on 11/13/2012 9:31:43 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Failing PRT:

I was in the Navy too, Physical Readiness Tests are considered basic requirements to meet your service obligation.

Assuming that this isn’t due to a related service injury, my recommendation would be for her to ask for help with her PRT from her command. Many commands have special groups with daily physical fitness training.

When I was in, discharge prior to completing your service obligation for other than honorable (which is what we are talking about) resulted in you loosing your benefits including the GI Bill. What sucks is, you don’t even get a refund for what you deposited.


42 posted on 11/13/2012 9:35:09 AM PST by dila813
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Lots of contractors will hire her just for the TS, after that, she could move around within a company.


43 posted on 11/13/2012 9:38:04 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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My advice is for her to make an appointment with the head of counseling or the college president at your local community college or state university.
I work at a college and these people have a wealth of information. Careers in health care are the growing trend eight now.
Good luck and G-d bless your daughter. My nephew graduates from Naval boot-camp on Friday.
44 posted on 11/13/2012 9:49:22 AM PST by Melissa 24 (I Brake For Epiphanies)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
My advice is for her to make an appointment with the head of counseling or the college president at your local community college or state university.
I work at a college and these people have a wealth of information. Careers in health care are the growing trend eight now.
Good luck and G-d bless your daughter. My nephew graduates from Naval boot-camp on Friday.
45 posted on 11/13/2012 9:49:23 AM PST by Melissa 24 (I Brake For Epiphanies)
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This all correct, I deal with this daily so here are my suggestions for what they are worth:

1. She will be entitled to utilize her Post 9-11 GI Bill. As long as she had sufficient time to earn it. Her intentions as stated to go back school tells me she has it. She will collect Per Diem as living expense money and will be eligible for unemployment.

2. Do not waste the GI Bill on a Community College just to be close to home. (no offense I attended Community College for awhile) Unless it is unavoidable, use it at a major university. Post 9-11 is the Cadillac of educational grants. There may be better out there I have not seen it. Schools love it, even Harvard likes military folks, but only if they have the Post 9-11 GI Bill. She will also have State Veterans Benefits coming to her. If she goes to a local Community College, try utilizing a State Grant vice the GI Bill. It is such a waste to use 24 months of a 36 month free university education on an Associates Degree.

3. Nursing, Nurse Practitioner, Physicians Assistant or Programmer/Administrator. Obama care will make NP & PA’s golden. Doctors will be too expensive, will leave the practice or not bother to come to USA as those of us that can afford will now travel to them. Son had complete reconstructive knee surgery in China for $2K (US). Healthcare Administrators will become invaluable as doctors and hospital wander through the Obamacare minefield. VA is hiring, as are many other Fed Agencies. Not exactly popular people on this site, but with Bronco Bama in office, I doubt the Fed will shrink.

4. She has the TS, if it is a TS/SCI or above she is already worth $80K - $100K per year to many contractors or Fed Agencies. They really do not care if she passes a PRT, that clearance saves them and easy $150K. If her field was intel, tell her to look at MEA “Hot Jobs.” (Marine Executive Association) Do not worry it is open to all services and they link to NAVVET jobs also.

5. Did she deploy to Southwest Asia or Afghanistan? She may be entitled to free VA medical care for up to 5 years. She must check in with the local VA clinic when she returns and have a physical done. They will tell her what benefits she rates.

If all other aspects of her service were honorable, it is simply time for her to move on to something new. Military life is not for everyone, many people never quite adapt. ADSEP (under honorable conditions) is how the military deals with those who never quite adapt. This is especially true during a draw-down. If she was really making an effor and was a good Sailor, 10 years ago her Chief or CO could have found a way to keep her through her enlistment. With Perform to Serve boards and Officer rank reductions, even the Chiefs and CO's are at risk.

46 posted on 11/13/2012 9:51:37 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: DYngbld; My hearts in London - Everett

“Plenty of jobs for a TS cleared person, but she will need to move to the DC area for them.”

Or Colorado Springs. LOADS of fed/dod out here.


47 posted on 11/13/2012 9:54:20 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: stuartcr

Depends upon the level of TS, and what type of investigation. TS/SCI or a Poly and she is golden!


48 posted on 11/13/2012 9:56:33 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

New Zealand is nice.


49 posted on 11/13/2012 9:58:48 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Gaffer

The clearance ends when her military service does.


50 posted on 11/13/2012 10:00:05 AM PST by DPMD
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