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Amazon.com begins collecting California Sales Tax
IX / XIV / MMXII | pansgold

Posted on 09/14/2012 7:41:00 PM PDT by pansgold

After years of being a member of Amazon.com, I just CLOSED MY AMAZON.COM ACCOUNT after they agreed to begin collecting sales taxes for this blood sucking state.

I'll continue online shopping from OUT OF STATE VENDORS and PAY ZERO state tax and get free shipping. I get what I want and Amazon.com and Calistan LOSE!


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: amazon; california; sales; tax; vanity
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1 posted on 09/14/2012 7:41:08 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: pansgold

You mean buying through Amazon from out of state vendors will help you avoid the state sales tax?


2 posted on 09/14/2012 7:43:35 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Didn’t I just say “I CLOSED MY AMAZON.COM ACCOUNT”?

NO. I said I will buy directly from out of state vendors that do not charge California sales tax.

Try eBay or Craigs list.


3 posted on 09/14/2012 7:47:14 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: Revolting cat!
You mean buying through Amazon from out of state vendors will help you avoid the state sales tax?

No. That's not what he said.

4 posted on 09/14/2012 7:47:56 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: pansgold

Prime Member here.

When they start charging tax in Merryland I’m out.

Then I will short Amazon.


5 posted on 09/14/2012 7:48:04 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Why wait?


6 posted on 09/14/2012 7:49:13 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Smart move because it just hit a 22+ high.


7 posted on 09/14/2012 7:49:40 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: FoxInSocks

That’s not what he said? Really?

What about an answer to my question?

I appreciate informative posts. No one appreciates emotional posts.


8 posted on 09/14/2012 7:49:53 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: unixfox
retailers start collecting California sales tax The Associated PressLos Angeles Times‎ - 1 hour ago After years of controversy, Amazon and other Internet retailers are set to begin collecting sales tax in California on Saturday
9 posted on 09/14/2012 7:51:20 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: pansgold

Amazon surrendered. Too bad. I love Amazon. They held out for a long while, but I’m not sure they had any choice. Other options must be explored.


10 posted on 09/14/2012 7:53:39 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: pansgold
It was inevitable...the taxes at Amazon.

“But it was alright, everything was alright, the struggle was finished. He Amazon had won the victory over himself. He Amazon loved Big Brother.” ― George Orwell, 1984

11 posted on 09/14/2012 7:56:13 PM PDT by liege (I'll pay more for tomatoes...or lettuce.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Buy direct from websites outside the state.


12 posted on 09/14/2012 7:56:13 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: Revolting cat!
That’s not what he said? Really?

Yes, really.

What about an answer to my question?

I did answer your question. I replied with a simple "no."

I appreciate informative posts. No one appreciates emotional posts.

I agree with you, the original post appeared very emotional and did not present much in the way of background or factual information. There's not even a source.

13 posted on 09/14/2012 7:59:04 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: pansgold

I did almost all of my Christmas shopping through Amazon last year because with free shipping and no sales tax, there were really good deals on toys for the kids and other unique items and I didn’t need to physically go to 100 different places. If they start charging sales tax, they’re going to lose a ton of business because that was one of the great things about shopping there— saving on tax and shipping.


14 posted on 09/14/2012 7:59:07 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: FoxInSocks

want facts? Try GOOGLE. It took me all of 3 seconds there to find the story.


15 posted on 09/14/2012 8:00:55 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: pansgold

What is the Almighty State about now? Streets of my city are full of potholes, but state taxes, sales taxes and property taxes are at their all time high. Where does the money go? There used to be state services, well stocked libraries, good schools, and now? Like you, I suspect that the taxes go to overpaid state workers (yes they are predominantly black here, and predominantly or certainly behind the wheels of Lexuses and Mercedeses), as Obama is not the only symptom of the white man’s guilt, and they go toward services for the so called poor, but not the really poor, the unaccounted poor, whom you see pushing stolen shopping carts on city streets filled with their possessions and empty cans and bottles.


16 posted on 09/14/2012 8:02:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: unixfox
Why wait?

Because I get stuff cheaper than Costco and second day air or over night, which I love to do on Thursdays, and I don't have to leave the house.

When saving money and not paying tax on it I'm done.

17 posted on 09/14/2012 8:03:25 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: pansgold

They didn’t “AGREE” to it. The state of California FORCED then to do it. You are punishing the WRONG entity.


18 posted on 09/14/2012 8:03:44 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: pansgold

I’ve been buying a lot from dealers who advertise through Amazon. They’re going to suffer, too.


19 posted on 09/14/2012 8:04:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Revolting cat!
If Amazon has distribution centers or warehouses in state I can understand the tax,
but many states don't host Amazon and they shouldn't tax. They started taxing here
in Texas and I paid it this time because I needed new pants that I couldn't find locally.
I will avoid them in the future and plan my purchases more carefully.

I would rather support surrounding business' anyway to help keep the local retail industry healthy.

20 posted on 09/14/2012 8:04:41 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: pansgold

If your dumb enough to live in the state, your dumb enough to pay taxes.


21 posted on 09/14/2012 8:06:37 PM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: pansgold

Shame on you. Shop local! Keep you tax dollars, and jobs, in your community. If you don’t like California, then MOVE.


22 posted on 09/14/2012 8:07:01 PM PDT by rivercat
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To: pansgold
Unless Amazon has some kind of physical facility in California...an office,warehouse,distribution facility,etc...I don't see how the state could force Amazon to collect tax.Perhaps California offered Amazon some kind of carrot...tax breaks on any facility they might establish in the state,for example.

A few years back there was a case where Massachusetts (high sales tax) tried to force a company in neighboring New Hampshire (no sales tax) to assist Massachusetts in collecting sales tax from Massachusetts residents.In short,the effort failed miserably.

Oh well,to the Maoists currently running California it's all about the Benjamins.

23 posted on 09/14/2012 8:07:11 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Revolting cat!

That’s good. That’s why after 2 decades here we are loading up the RV and leaving after selling everything we don’t haul.

My wife and I will spend out golden years traveling no matter what the price of gas. After 40 years together, she deserves that much from me.

;-D


24 posted on 09/14/2012 8:07:32 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: pansgold
Good move! The bureaucratic parasite class in government will NEVER have enough of our hard-earned money. They are destructive to our Liberties.

The moment Amazon charges sales tax I will do as you are doing. The parasite class will only use the additional money to abuse us. Mostly they will just outright waste it.

I pray for the day that the bureaucratic parasite class will be forced to earn an honest day's pay in the private sector.

25 posted on 09/14/2012 8:07:44 PM PDT by sand88
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Why wait to short the stock?


26 posted on 09/14/2012 8:08:01 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I believe they have an office here. They’d be better off firing everyone and letting the fire department burn it for fun.


27 posted on 09/14/2012 8:09:28 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: Revolting cat!

“Amazon surrendered. Too bad. I love Amazon. They held out for a long while, but I’m not sure they had any choice. Other options must be explored.”

That’s right, Amazon didn’t have any other choice. CA is a big state that they couldn’t afford not to have a presence in, and the Lib, Dem State forced them into it as they are so desperate for more money to fill their coffers for more social spending and the state is broke. It’s for the children, you know.

Meanwhile, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Amazon needs more warehouses for their goods, so they will now open new ones in CA where they are stuck having to pay the sales tax anyway (Amazon, like all other big box/catalog businesses have to collect sales taxes in states where they have a physical presence). So, Amazon may as well make use of CA for their warehouse facilities now that they are stuck collecting sales tax there, and at least get something out of it. Actually, this will work to the benefit of the high amount of unemployed population in CA as at least some of them can now get jobs at the new warehouses, as well as the new construction of them producing jobs too.


28 posted on 09/14/2012 8:09:41 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: MaxMax

I think that shorting Amazon is the right thing to do, as great a company they are - this surrender will definitely affect their sales. The states are greedy and still broke.


29 posted on 09/14/2012 8:09:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: unixfox

It’d going to drop!


30 posted on 09/14/2012 8:10:13 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: Solson

31 posted on 09/14/2012 8:13:25 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: pansgold
want facts? Try GOOGLE. It took me all of 3 seconds there to find the story.

No need to be snippy with me. I didn't ask for anything. I don't come to FR looking for headlines that I subsequently have to research on the Internet. It's nice to find the story after a headline.

Since you brought it up, however, why didn't you simply post the story in the first place? You could have included your rant as a comment, instead of a vanity post self-described as "breaking news."

32 posted on 09/14/2012 8:13:36 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: MaxMax
If Amazon has distribution centers or warehouses in state I can understand the tax,but many states don't host Amazon and they shouldn't tax.

In Massachusetts...and,I'll wager,*most* states with a sales tax...the sales tax's official title is "sales and use" tax.Under Massachusetts tax law anything you buy anywhere that would incur sales tax in the state must be declared on your state income tax return and at that time you pay the 6.25%.Of course,with no sales tax New Hampshire right next door and with Amazon and similar companies very few residents declare such purchases.

Of course *I* do,because I'm a *good* boy! ;-)

33 posted on 09/14/2012 8:15:05 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: flaglady47

I’ve been perfectly happy with Amazon not having presence here. I can wait (for the delivery) and haven’t had to wait long. If the local businesses sold at a discount, I’d buy from them, but I’ve been buying my photo and hifi equipment for decades from places like New York City, presumably high rent districts (42st Street Photo, for example), while the local dealers justified their high prices by their supposedly high rents, a least until the Hindu owned stores opened up here.


34 posted on 09/14/2012 8:15:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: unixfox

Because it hasn’t gone nationwide yet?

I short usually after the free fall begins the cheap bastard that I am.


35 posted on 09/14/2012 8:17:20 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: FoxInSocks

Ever notice all the typo’s in my posts? I’m almost blind. It’s all I can do to type a few lines.

Driving... well that’s another matter. The bright lines really help.


36 posted on 09/14/2012 8:17:43 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: flaglady47

I’ve been perfectly happy with Amazon not having presence here. I can wait (for the deliv ery) and haven’t had to wait long. If the local businesses sold at a discount, I’d buy from them, but I’ve been buying my photo and hifi equipment for decades from places like New York City, presumably high rent districts (42st Street Photo, for example), while the local dealers justified their high prices by their supposedly high rents, a least until the Hindu owned discounters opened up stores here. Remember Crown Books when it beat the book dealers to the bunch with discounts? Remember the used record stores that provoked the one and only (has-been) Garth Brooks to refuse to distribute to them?


37 posted on 09/14/2012 8:17:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: pansgold
I believe they have an office here.

If that's the case then there's something for the state to seize.It's probably just a matter of doing some math to determine if it makes more sense to stay there and collect the tax or leave and refuse to do so.Leave and the state sizes the office but you keep more CA customers.Stay and collect and you get to keep the office but you lose at least *some* CA customers.

38 posted on 09/14/2012 8:20:15 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

On An iPad, you’re lucky all the words are spelled correctly.


39 posted on 09/14/2012 8:20:49 PM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: pansgold

That’s your right. But it sure seems that the day is coming when online sales will be taxed just like any other, and I can see the equity in that. Online businesses consume public services just like brick-and-mortar businesses do, so why shouldn’t they pay their “fair share” (gawd how I hate that term!)


40 posted on 09/14/2012 8:24:54 PM PDT by bigbob
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Large gated South Florida homes
rented by Section 8 tenants


- Now your friendly Government pays all the rent
above 1/3rd of the new tenant's actual income.....

- but is actually tax dollars at work -



Sun Sentinel

Welcome to Obamastan!



41 posted on 09/14/2012 8:25:26 PM PDT by devolve (----- ------- ------------GO_AHEAD---MAKE_MY_SPAGHETTI-------- ----------------------------)
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To: Revolting cat!
...but I’ve been buying my photo and hifi equipment for decades from places like New York City, presumably high rent districts...

Yup,over the last couple of years I've done exactly that...about $8K worth of various electronic items from NYC (B&H,J&R,etc) which doesn't collect taxes on out of state shipments.But as I said,I report all such purchases on my state tax return,as required by state law,because I'm a *good* boy! ;-)

42 posted on 09/14/2012 8:25:32 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
The bean counters will figure (literally) it out. If enough customers turn to direct website purchases, eBay, or sites like Craig's List and ad dollars drop low enough as their stock falls from the 4 year 22 dollar high of today, They’d sell their a$$ets to save their A$$es.
43 posted on 09/14/2012 8:26:14 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: pansgold

Yes, I notice typos all the time — proofreading is part of my daily job. Lots of writing on the Internet is replete with typos, and I pretty much stopped pointing out online spelling and grammatical errors years ago.

I had no idea you’re almost blind. If that’s the case, it’s understandable that cutting and pasting Internet text may be more challenging. I wasn’t seeking to quarrel with anyone this evening.


44 posted on 09/14/2012 8:29:12 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Shares of Amazon reached an all-time high Thursday as investors bid up the stock in anticipation of the company’s announcement of additions to its Kindle tablet line (CNET’s live blog of the event starts at 10 a.m.). Amazon’s stock is up more than 43 percent for the year. In part, the stock is climbing on the assumption that gross profit margins are going to continue to increase. During Amazon’s second quarter, gross profits margins widened to 26.1 percent from 24.1 percent, which surpassed Wall Street’s expectations for the company. At least for now, that calmed the critics who pointed to the continuing heavy investments in marketing, infrastructure, and fulfillment.

SHORT THE STOCK!


45 posted on 09/14/2012 8:29:37 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: Gay State Conservative

If you go to Europe where they collect VAT on just about everything, collect your receipts and present them at the airport just before departure, they’ll refund all your VAT payments, because, why not, that is a civilized way of handling taxation. Why should I pay California sales tax on a purchase made in New York?


46 posted on 09/14/2012 8:31:33 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: pansgold
Here's the answer to all your tax questions. It may be a bit imprecise and allegorical, but it is the simplest thing I can come up with: foo stams!
47 posted on 09/14/2012 8:34:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Revolting cat!; MinuteGal

Well, good luck. I love Amazon and will continue to buy from them. I unfortunately live in IL which is also going after Amazon to collect sales tax and at some point they may be forced into it by our State pols. So far, they have held off, but many states are after Amazon because it is a big money pot of revenue collection, and the lib states are all broke.

The states claim it is unfair competition with local businesses as an excuses, but local businesses don’t have to charge shipping like on-line and catalog businesses do, a giant point the pols fail to acknowledge. They just want the money, regardless of what it does to an on-line or catalog’s business bottom line. Less people shopping a website, like you because you are taking it out on the wrong entity, Amazon in this particular case, will eventually affect sales, and less business start-ups on the web, and thus less jobs for potential employees. A lose, lose situation.

You can leave Amazon, but soon the states will be forcing all on-line website businesses and catalog houses to collect sales taxes and there will be nowhere for you to go. People need to go after the Pols that are supporting such legislation, not the victim businesses that end up having to bend to their political will.


48 posted on 09/14/2012 8:35:53 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: pansgold
It will not end there. The latest quest for bucks in cash-strapped states is to begin expanding the definition of economic nexus beyond bricks and mortar. There is pressure to impose regular business taxes on companies which have sales above a stipulated threshold. Imagine having to file multiple income tax returns and to pay taxes in states where you have never taken a breath.

Here's an article about this scheme. There is plenty more info available online. Apparently Washington State is gung-ho for this.

49 posted on 09/14/2012 8:37:37 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: bigbob

“the day is coming when online sales will be taxed just like any other”? Ever wonder what Article 1 Section 9 Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution says?

“No tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.


50 posted on 09/14/2012 8:38:26 PM PDT by pansgold
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