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Baby Dies after Hospital Unwilling to Pay $3 for Incubator
itsybitsy steps ^ | 7/29/12 | Anna Karina

Posted on 08/08/2012 8:24:24 AM PDT by wagglebee

A newborn baby girl died in India’s northern Punjab state after doctors removed her from an incubator that her parents couldn’t afford. The incubator cost the hospital 200 rupees ($3.60).

A premature newborn girl was in critical condition and needed incubator support in order to live. Two days after placing her in the incubator, hospital officials demanded that the family pay 200 rupees towards electricity charges.

Unfortunately, the baby’s father, Sanjiv Kumar was an unemployed painter and couldn’t pay the amount on time.

“We begged and pleaded with them to keep our child alive in the incubator and that we would pay them the money later,” a distraught Kumar said. “But they refused.”

When the family was unable to pay, nurses took away the saline drip, while officials removed the baby from the incubator, causing her to die three hours later.

“They killed my child,” the baby’s mother Sunita Kumar said. “I pleaded that my husband needed time to arrange the money, but to no avail and the baby was taken out of the incubator.”

The state chief minister, Prakash Singh Badal is currently investigating the “unfortunate” incident at the Civil hospital in Jalandhar. He has awarded compensation to the baby’s parents in the amount of $1,855, curiously enough to pay for the electricity of over 600 incubators.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: india; moralabsolutes; obamacare; prolife
This will soon be happening in America if Obamacare isn't repealed.
1 posted on 08/08/2012 8:24:36 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 08/08/2012 8:26:33 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 08/08/2012 8:27:31 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Refresh my memory, is India a single-payer system?


4 posted on 08/08/2012 8:28:33 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: wagglebee
This will soon be happening in America if Obamacare isn't repealed.

I doubt that we will see such atrocities stateside.

After 0bama care I'm sure there would be extensive efforts put into determining whether the baby is worth the 3 dollars or not first.

5 posted on 08/08/2012 8:29:27 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: LRoggy
As far as I know, India has universal healthcare.
6 posted on 08/08/2012 8:31:55 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Muslims or not?


7 posted on 08/08/2012 8:33:50 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: wagglebee

Ahh, the third world... Where the Hippocratic Oath means nothing.

Sorry China and India, I know you like to play like first world countries, but I know better.


8 posted on 08/08/2012 8:34:17 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: wagglebee

Special place in hell for the person who decided to unplug the machine.


9 posted on 08/08/2012 8:38:09 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: HamiltonJay

There is undoubtedly another side of the story. How premature was the newborn? If she was born in the early second trimester, she could have been too small to survive. The incubator may have kept her comfortable, but would not extend her opportunity to live if she were severely premature.


10 posted on 08/08/2012 8:39:08 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: wagglebee

Obamacare in microcosm

Nothing to see....move along.


11 posted on 08/08/2012 8:41:01 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: HamiltonJay
Ahh, the third world... Where the Hippocratic Oath means nothing.

What makes you think it means anything in the United States?

The Hippocratic Oath prohibits abortion, yet this is the most common surgical procedure in the US with one performed every 24 seconds.

12 posted on 08/08/2012 8:41:10 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
This will soon be happening in America if Obamacare isn't repealed.

Situations like this are already happening in the U.S. and it has nothing to do with Obamacare. The system is broken. Obama care will only make it worse.

13 posted on 08/08/2012 8:46:21 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: wagglebee
the most common surgical procedure in the US with one performed every 24 seconds



That just gave me chills.. Even I didn't know it was that bad :'(
14 posted on 08/08/2012 9:00:13 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: wagglebee
As far as I know, India has universal healthcare.

India DOES NOT have a universal health care system yet..they just implemented a small drug program covering generics for all citizens but that is it. They do want a UHCS by 2020.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/india-is-showing-canada-the-way-with-action-on-health-care/article4401400/

15 posted on 08/08/2012 9:02:34 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: wagglebee
This would happen in America if we didn't have laws that emergency care must be provided regardless of ability to pay.

The problem is that those laws are fundamentally unfair and represent an unconstitutional "government taking" from private providers for which they are not compensated. Not only is it an unconstitutional taking it forces the next sick person to pay extra.

Instead of the general tax payor taking on the burden of the indigent, it's the other sick people who are forced to pay more for their care. It's both unconstitutional and completely unfair.

In this respect, Obamacare may actually rectify this problem. I hate the way Obamacare was rushed through Congress by the most undemocrat means ever. I hate the potential in Obamacare for everything to be governmentalized and socialized. I hate the idea of a government mandate.

Yet we do need to find a solution to the above problem.

16 posted on 08/08/2012 9:03:47 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Bikkuri
And, if the CDC were honest they would list abortion as the leading cause of death in the United States.

As many Americans die from abortion each year as die from all forms of cancer, heart disease, respiratory disease and strokes COMBINED.

More Americans die from abortion each year than have died in ALL of the wars America has fought COMBINED.

More Americans die from abortion each day than died in the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01.

17 posted on 08/08/2012 9:25:16 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

A newborn baby girl died in India’s northern Punjab state after doctors removed her from an incubator that her parents couldn’t afford.

Americans are stuck paying for many people who can not afford medical care. I find it interesting that the parents thought they could get it for free...nothing is free in this World. Couldn’t they get a loan or something? I am so sick of free loaders.....


18 posted on 08/08/2012 9:27:47 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: wagglebee

Pro-Life Ping

Is it a pro-life thing or is it irresponsible parents not willing to pay for their child? It is so difficult to have both. Either we pay for everyones medical care or we don’t.


19 posted on 08/08/2012 9:29:38 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: wagglebee

WB, this topic alone should be obvious to any American, but many choose to ignore it. It DOES show the shape this (that, in my case) country is in.

(Another topic.. sorry about not making the PING I mentioned to you before.. finally got Photoshop working on Linux last night.. closed it to see if I could re-open it.. got an error, something like ‘hardware failure’.. and now I can’t boot my main PC :/ ... am on my laptop now, (Linux also >.<).. Will break down my main tomorrow and see if I can get it working again :^] .. and If I can, will have another HD with Windows on it again.)


20 posted on 08/08/2012 9:36:32 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: napscoordinator

It doesn’t really matter if the baby’s parents were irresponsible deadbeats or not. Killing a child because her family can’t afford the care is sick.


21 posted on 08/08/2012 9:40:20 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: wagglebee

Something seems fishy here. The article says the nurses took away the saline drip. Good, a premature infant should not be on a saline drip, they are in need of calories, not just salt. So should either be on dextrose, protein and fats, or breast milk/formula. so if the nurses took away the drip, why did they not also take away the heat? Why did others do that. Just sounds fishy to me


22 posted on 08/08/2012 10:13:52 AM PDT by MN_Rightside
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To: wagglebee

When Obamacare gets “refined” after a few years from now many premature babies will probably be aborted by force.


23 posted on 08/08/2012 10:23:24 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: napscoordinator
"Couldn’t they get a loan or something? I am so sick of free loaders.....'

"the baby’s mother Sunita Kumar said. “I pleaded that my husband needed time to arrange the money, but to no avail..." - From the article.

I'm sure companies are lined up to make fast loans to India's poor.

Maybe the poor and needy exist just to test your character.

24 posted on 08/08/2012 10:28:59 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

It always has to do with character when you support free loaders and big government. However, anything else and it is “oh know our debt is sky high...I wonder why?” You are what is called politically bipolar.


25 posted on 08/08/2012 10:32:55 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: HamiltonJay

India is a very hard place.


26 posted on 08/08/2012 10:40:26 AM PDT by stellaluna
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To: nikos1121

Nearly 40 years ago, my younger sister was born at 27 weeks. I know that neonatal care has progressed quite a bit since then. If the incubator was keeping her alive, then she had a chance to survive, thrive, and live a nice long life.

With life, one has a chance.


27 posted on 08/08/2012 10:42:59 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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To: napscoordinator
So in your opinion the hospital was right to pull the plug on the baby because it's parents couldn't pay?

Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

Looks like God held the whole city responsible for the poor and needy.

28 posted on 08/08/2012 10:45:22 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: napscoordinator
I am so sick of free loaders.....

So, under your philosophy, ole napsie gets pulled over for a speeding ticket. $60 payable on the spot. Napster pulls out his wallet, blows the dust off of it, creaks it open to discover two twenties and a ten. Tough shinola for nappie-naps. Confiscate the car, crush it and hope nappers has some good walking shoes. Should have had enough to pay your bills you good-for-nothing indigent. That about right?

29 posted on 08/08/2012 10:47:50 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Government's solution to everything: Less freedom.)
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To: tnlibertarian

Interesting outlook on this...


30 posted on 08/08/2012 11:29:54 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: DannyTN

Two words.....15 Trillion. That is going to be quite a bit for the grandchildren to have to come up with. Conservatives, Democrats and Republicans are ONLY concerned about the debt UNLESS their own interests are threatened and then it is SPEND SPEND SPEND. That I have a real issue with.


31 posted on 08/08/2012 11:33:35 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: napscoordinator
"Two words.....15 Trillion."

I don't for a minute believe that our debt is the result of taking care of the truly poor and needy.

It's the result of wasteful pork spending. It's the result of mismanagement. It's the result of not taking steps to mitigate a second oil price spike. And it's the result of stupid trade policies with communist countries that have lowered the import tariffs that our founding fathers put in place to where they are almost non-existent.

And I don't think you can balance the books by letting the poor die, because that's going to bring God's judgement on the country. And no amount of deregulation or detaxation is going to help us then.

32 posted on 08/08/2012 11:43:43 AM PDT by DannyTN
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I don’t for a minute believe that our debt is the result of taking care of the truly poor and needy.

Well if that was all we were having to take care of fine, but we also have 39 million who can afford health care but chose not too. When does that stop? These people probably could not pay 3 dollars and if I was there I would have paid for their child to continue the care, but the debt is just going to get worse and worse unless EVERYONE stops with their pet projects.


33 posted on 08/08/2012 11:46:16 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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"Well if that was all we were having to take care of fine, but we also have 39 million who can afford health care but chose not too. When does that stop? "

Strangely enough I guess it stops when that dang Obamacare mandate goes into effect. Got to be a better way, though.

I'm all for cleaning things up. All I'm saying is don't throw the baby out with the wash. So..to..speak.

34 posted on 08/08/2012 11:55:53 AM PDT by DannyTN
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17 posted on Wed Aug 08 2012 11:25:16 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by wagglebee: “And, if the CDC were honest they would list abortion as the leading cause of death in the United States. As many Americans die from abortion each year as die from all forms of cancer, heart disease, respiratory disease and strokes COMBINED. More Americans die from abortion each year than have died in ALL of the wars America has fought COMBINED. More Americans die from abortion each day than died in the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01.”

Sometimes we need to be hit in the face with facts.

This is horrible. It shouldn't surprise me but it does.

And if it surprises me, it will do more than surprise people who don't think about abortion very often and would be okay with it being “safe legal and rare” — they need to know that abortion may be legal, but it sure ain't rare.

Wagglebee, can you post the per-day and per-year numbers of abortions, and then the number of people killed in all wars combined, all cancer, heart disease, respiratory disease and strokes combined annual deaths, and the 9/11 Pentagon/World Trade Center/Pennsylvania deaths combined, along with links to rock-solid unquestionable sources for those numbers? I'd like to be able to use those numbers.

35 posted on 08/08/2012 1:54:11 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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Dreadful. RIP.


36 posted on 08/08/2012 2:40:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: tnlibertarian; napscoordinator

Not quite. For your example to be analogous, they would have to kill napscoordinator’s daughter because of his inability to pay.


37 posted on 08/08/2012 4:36:27 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

Hindus have a very different perspective on life and death than we do.

One of the reason I hesitate to use Asian doctors unless they are Christian/Westernized.


38 posted on 08/08/2012 4:59:40 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: wagglebee
When the family was unable to pay, nurses took away the saline drip, while officials removed the baby from the incubator, causing her to die three hours later.

How much of what happened was because the infant was a girl?

Regards,
GtG

39 posted on 08/08/2012 5:28:16 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: napscoordinator

You need to re-read the article. Nowhere did the parents think they could get it for *free*. They said they needed time to arrange to get the money to the hospital. Many medical emergencies arise even here in the US when people - good people with good jobs and insurance - can’t afford to pay out of pocket immediately. I hope that never happens to you, and if it does, I hope that someone like yourself isn’t in control of deciding your fate...


40 posted on 08/09/2012 12:41:43 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: EGPWS
Ubama's crowd of Democrat abortion enthusiasts would simply consider this practice a "late-term abortion" for an inconvenient pregnancy.


41 posted on 08/09/2012 12:49:43 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: nikos1121

I was going to say the same thing.

Prematures don’t live very long in third world countries.

About all you can do is keep them warm (which is what the incubators do).

But a lot of times these stories will result in better medical care at the hospitals involved....


42 posted on 08/09/2012 8:23:18 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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