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NASHVILLE: Parents charged for allowing daughter, 15, to have sex with 21-year-old
WSMV-4 NBC ^ | 5/21/12

Posted on 05/21/2012 10:21:30 PM PDT by SmithL

Parents may pay the price for an illicit love affair between a teenage girl and her grown-up boyfriend.

Stephen Rogers Jr. faces a charge of statutory rape, but police have also charged his girlfriend's parents with child neglect.

The parents admitted they didn't stop the relationship, in fact they did something to signal their approval.

She's 15. He's 21.

Bottom line: Their sexual relationship broke the law.

But some do not see this as a black-and-white kind of issue.

The young love between a 15-year-old girl and her 21-year-old boyfriend has this neighborhood taking sides.

"Some 15 year olds may be able to handle it, and some may not," neighbor Virginia Presnell said.

"He seems like a good guy," neighbor Angela Moore said. "I know there's an age difference, quite an age difference, but they're actually a really good couple. They're almost one of those perfect little couples you never see anymore."

Police arrested and charged Stephen Rogers Jr. on a single charge of statutory rape, but he's dated the 15-year-old for months.

Her parents liked Stephen, and six months ago, they invited him to live with their daughter inside their home.

Some neighbors saw a problem.

"I don't think a 15-year-old should be with a 21-year-old," Presnell said.

But some neighbors like Moore seem conflicted.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: statutoryrape; tennessee; tn; underagesex

1 posted on 05/21/2012 10:21:40 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Another thread speculates on what the lib agenda will be after legalizing and normalizing gay marriage will be. One strong contender is lowering the age of consent drastically and legitimizing pedophilia. Expect to see more stories like this.


2 posted on 05/21/2012 10:31:25 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: SmithL
My first ex-wife's grandmother was 13 when she got married on a North Texas prarie.

Some of this is cultural. Some of it is biological. Now it's about laws.

/johnny

3 posted on 05/21/2012 10:34:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Some of this is about governments with unlimited budgets that do not have to prioritize what legal actions to take.


4 posted on 05/21/2012 10:38:50 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: JLS
I'm all for protecting children. But if my daughter had turned up with a decent older guy, I would have been thrilled. I ran off a lot of pricks that were my daughter's ages, right up until they were 17.

I was pretty harsh about it, in some cases, the tattoo artist in particular.

I did luck out and they chose wisely. I have good son-in-laws. Mostly.

/johnny

5 posted on 05/21/2012 10:46:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

People don’t realize that this was not shocking during the 1960s and 1970s, it was not completely everyday or encouraged, in fact it was discouraged, and statutory rape laws existed (like drunk driving laws of the distant past), but people weren’t totally shocked when a 15 or 16 year old girl and a 19 or 21 year old guy found each other.

Usually that merely drew some scrutiny into what kind of guy he was, I think the left turned this into an absolutely mandatory freak out, involve the law thing.


6 posted on 05/21/2012 10:56:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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To: SmithL

When my parents got married, my mother was 16, and my father was 21 after returning from Vietnam. Would he and my grandparents get charged with a crime if it were today?


7 posted on 05/21/2012 11:01:43 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: SmithL

I remember when I was 16, and my girlfriend (now wife of 12 years) just turned 18, and she was frightened at the possibility of being done for statutory rape. It really is a dumb law. Instead of having an age of consent there should be a law on the age gap.


8 posted on 05/21/2012 11:03:42 PM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: SmithL

I thought the underlying liberal principal is “kids are going to do it anyway so let’s just give them a free condom or a free abortion.”

You mean there are laws against this??? < /sarc >


9 posted on 05/21/2012 11:09:32 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: SmithL

Mother nature is always right.

Man in his infinite folly sometimes seeks to legislate against mother nature.

It is liberals who seek to enact controls upon mother nature (God by another name)


10 posted on 05/21/2012 11:10:42 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Bobalu

“It is liberals who seek to enact controls upon mother nature (God by another name).

Perhaps this is more accurate, if less charitable:
“It is liberals who seek to enact controls over other people using mother nature (God by another name) as the excuse.

I am of the opinion that if the parents and the child agree, the government should have no control. Parents are, on the average, more concerned with the well being of their children than a bureaucrat.

And, may I note that Will and Arial Durant had a very successful marriage despite their ages when married.

Government (and Liberals) have no Constitutional basis for such intrusion into family and private decisions.


11 posted on 05/21/2012 11:24:24 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: JRandomFreeper
My great grandmother married my great grandfather when she was 16 and he was 21 in 1916. My mother said he was very controlling throughout their lives. But I really think young people matured far faster in the “old days” when some of them had to in order to survive.

And some in the "old days" were victims of overlooked abuse. Now when I see a 21 year old guy around 15 year old girls I just think creepy loser. Go find somebody your own age! You can seem like a “decent” guy but why were you prowling around 15 year olds in the first place? A 21 year old is junior in college age, 15 or 16 is tenth grade. Yuck!

12 posted on 05/21/2012 11:47:52 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: JRandomFreeper; SmithL; GeronL

“My first ex-wife’s grandmother was 13 when she got married on a North Texas prarie.”

Laura Ingalls Wilder spoke of such things in her books. I suppose it happened. Consider 13 year olds were doing hard work in the house it really did not matter if they got married at 13 back then.

Back then. It is 2012 and most 13 year olds are not running a farm.


13 posted on 05/21/2012 11:49:40 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: yank in the UK

Age gap seems more appropriate, I agree with that.


14 posted on 05/21/2012 11:51:35 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: GladesGuru
I don't know... No offense but your post sounds like something an Islamist would say as they marry off their 13 year old to a 40 year old man. The girl would probably be to afraid to complain in many instances, parents say it's ok, they get married and you say it's ok if no one complains? I just don't agree with that at all.
15 posted on 05/21/2012 11:59:00 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: SmithL
As my husband would bluntly say, most 21 year old guys want one thing, and most 15 year old girls aren't prepared for the consequences. I would agree except to say if we're talking a pregnancy here, it's the male that must face the consequences as well, and a 15 year old girl is not ready for a baby and many of the same parents that say it's ok for my 15 year old to have sex with a 21 year old would probably give the girl a ride to the abortion clinic.
16 posted on 05/22/2012 12:07:56 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: SmithL
I have aunts who were married by age 15. Yes their husbands were older by a few years. A marriage between a 15 year old and a man 21 was not that uncommon for the generations born during WW2 and before.

As a parent I would not condone their behavior. I would not allow it with my knowledge. But OTOH if their urge to merge as some call it is so strong then let them marry. In Tennessee a 16 year old is considered a medical adult. They can even obtain an abortion without parents consent or knowledge.

17 posted on 05/22/2012 12:28:46 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: MacMattico

No offense taken, as I am well known to advocate “Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and what Moslims do”. I should have anticipated that oversight and noted that I always exclude Moslims due to the fact that Islam is antithetical to, and irreconcilable with, America.

Yes, the issue of parental abuse is a possibility. The present socialists delight gives to unrelated, often antagoinistic bureaucrats the powers once assigned by G*d to the family, under the assumption that said family had accepted the “Covenant” - Jewish, Catholic, Protest versioins being ethically and in matter of behavioral norms essentially identical.

Islam is in NO way part of that “Covenant”.

I am all for “complaints”, but to give the complainer the raw power of the government’s gun is asking for the present situation.

Said situation is that in Florida (probably same in other states) a child taken from the family and given to AgencyPersons for physical or sexual abuse WILL be beaten or raped more than before said removal.

There are things a government can’t do. Raising children is one such thing.


18 posted on 05/22/2012 3:24:31 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Truth be told, a 15 year old girl can be physically mature enough to be ready for marriage and procreation. On the other hand, I'm not thrilled about 21 year old men preying on such young women. Perhaps the old ways were best, i.e. marry her, and all is OK.

The problem here is a lot of men aren't looking for wives. They are looking for sex without marriage, and that is both dishonorable and sinful. If they were man and wife, it's a different situation. Of course, a lot of women these days aren't exactly moral either. Many (most) are not only willing to have sex outside of marriage, they actually prefer sex now and marriage maybe later after a series of men.

That said, I definitely think the sex offender laws are too extreme. If this 21 year old man is found guilty, he would probably be classified as a sex offender. Yet, this is clearly not in the same league as pedophilia. I just don't know where I'd draw the line between statutory rape and a consensual relationship.

19 posted on 05/22/2012 4:08:24 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: cva66snipe

You and a dozen others who cite instances of marriage at 13 and 21 or whatever miss the point: those instances involved marriage. Especially when the grandparents and aunts and others being mentioned here got married, marriage was for keeps.

So, the young man and young woman were making a commitment with legal, financial, social consequences. They made the commitment publicly. If one was under the legal age for marriage, a judge had to sign off on it. That meant he could interrogate the couple, assess maturity etc.

This situation involves parents letting the young man get away with total lack of accountability—get’s his buzz and has no accountability. Parents who let their daughter be used—and that’s what it is, she is being used and nothing else,
should be hung (metaphorically, of course).

There is no comparison between this and the situations people are bringing up in the comments.

Do people really not see the difference?


20 posted on 05/22/2012 4:22:22 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

I agree with you. They were letting this guy live in their home and “sleep” with their daughter. If they were letting her marry him that would be different. Although I wouldn’t approve of that either.


21 posted on 05/22/2012 4:57:13 AM PDT by timeflies
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To: Houghton M.

“You and a dozen others who cite instances of marriage at 13 and 21 or whatever miss the point: those instances involved marriage...”

That was my first thought.


22 posted on 05/22/2012 4:58:30 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: SmithL
I don't understand why everyone on this thread is talking about their 15-year-old great-grandmother getting married to a 20-year-old man.

These two weren't married. They were permitted, if not invited, to have a shack-up relationship in her parents house. For those of you who think only of the bottom line and think morality is nonsense, if the girl gets pregnant and the guy leaves her (quite common), who do you think pays for their child? You do.

Even secular conservatives ought to favor marriages and intact families. That's the bulwark against government control over everything. We can start by not drawing an equivalence between a 15-year-old shacking up with a 21-year-old, and marriage between any male and female, regardless of their ages.

23 posted on 05/22/2012 5:05:54 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: timeflies

“Although I wouldn’t approve of that either.”

Eggzackly. And why wouldn’t you approve of letting her marry him at 15? Because (tell me if I’m wrong), you figure that at 15, esp. with a 21-year old, she’s probably not really making a level-headed, mature decision. But we know, instinctively, that marriage is a major decision, one not to be taken lightly, one that requires maturity.

But screwing each other? No big deal. Nothing to see here. No consequences—they can screw for a while than split up and then come back and screw some more and who cars? No legal consequences, no financial consequences, no social consequences. Paradise for the young man.

Of course there are moral, pyschological and other consequences for screwing around outside of marriage, but our society claims they don’t exist, that marriage is just a piece of paper.

So, precisely because marriage really meant something back when the grandparents and aunts and cousins mentioned upthread got married at age 13 or 15, it was scrutinized carefully and marriage that young was the exception, not the norm.

Now screwing is normal from age 7 onward and who cares? Just having fun. Nothing more.

Ain’t it wunnerful?


24 posted on 05/22/2012 5:10:35 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Morgana

These parents should be charged, they are horrible.

What kind of perverts are they? Do they think they live in Hollywood or something?

Here is a good rule for parents to use on their kids:

When you are old for sex, MOVE OUT


25 posted on 05/22/2012 5:50:38 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: yank in the UK

The rule should be that if you are old enough for sex, you can MOVE OUT and take care of yourself.


26 posted on 05/22/2012 5:53:51 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

My late uncle, who was one of the smartest men that I ever had the pleasure of knowing, explained “the rule” of age differance:

“Half your age plus seven years is the youngest you should date.”


27 posted on 05/22/2012 6:05:13 AM PDT by Ueriah
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To: SmithL
My Aunt and Uncle were married when he was 32 and she was 16. They had the blessing of all family members and went onto have a wonderful loving, marriage. Although he passed away while she was still young and she remarried, it was always understood by her second husband that my Uncle was the love if her life. Her second husband was welcomed into our family, lovingly and he often spoke highly of my Uncle he'd never met. He is now buried in our family plot, next to my Uncle!

Politicians can't make better decisions than loving parents can.

28 posted on 05/22/2012 6:09:54 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: SmithL

Kevin Jennings would probably be ok with the age difference, but he might object to the heterosexuality of it all....


29 posted on 05/22/2012 6:12:50 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SmithL
"He seems like a good guy,"

He isn't.

30 posted on 05/22/2012 6:16:51 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SmithL

My friend was 15 when he started dating a 21 year old woman. Now 11 years later they are married. As another poster mentioned they were both terrified she would get charged with statuary rape and kept things discrete.


31 posted on 05/22/2012 6:17:35 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: MtBaldy

Either that or polygamy.

Guess the western world hasn’t reached rock bottom yet.

Looks like it will be a rough landing when it does.


32 posted on 05/22/2012 6:18:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: cva66snipe
I have aunts who were married by age 15. Yes their husbands were older by a few years. A marriage between a 15 year old and a man 21 was not that uncommon for the generations born during WW2 and before.

The key distinction here is between marriage and no-commitment sex. If a 20-something guy with a job was marriage-serious about a 16-year old daughter of mine, I would be OK with it.

33 posted on 05/22/2012 6:23:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Houghton M.
You and a dozen others who cite instances of marriage at 13 and 21 or whatever miss the point: those instances involved marriage. Especially when the grandparents and aunts and others being mentioned here got married, marriage was for keeps.

No I think you missed the part of my comments where I said I would not condone or allow them having sex with me knowing about it. But if their urges became too strong I said let them marry. I'm 54 and there were several girls in my high school who were in fact married. Actually the allowed age to marry varies or did vary then widely state too state with Georgia I think being the lowest age Without parental permission.

34 posted on 05/22/2012 8:22:00 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Morgana
It is 2012 and most 13 year olds are not running a farm.

Yep. At thirteen they can't legally run a french fry machine or hold a job.

I'm not sure that is an improvement.

35 posted on 05/22/2012 8:26:58 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: PapaBear3625
The key distinction here is between marriage and no-commitment sex. If a 20-something guy with a job was marriage-serious about a 16-year old daughter of mine, I would be OK with it.

I agree. The situation they allowed in their home I would not have allowed though even if daughter was 21.

36 posted on 05/22/2012 8:30:10 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: SmithL

Lock the whole family away and toss the key..


37 posted on 05/22/2012 8:56:23 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: SmithL
The part DCS Tennessee won't say is this. Had the person been a live in boyfriend of the mother it would not be as serious too them as this. If the 15 year olds divorced from mom stays a week say with her dad who is involved in a bi-racial affair with another woman and lets the 15 year old sleep in bed with them that in the eyes of Tennessee DCS would also be OK. That is a cultural thing you see.

The ages of the girl and man in question were within the normal relm of what society a generation ago accepted as old enough for a marriage with an age space about normal between the couple.

They were stupid IMO {the parents} to allow what was going on in their home outside of marriage. In other words they should have told them OK if you insist on this then we insist on a license and a commitment to each other. Believe me the DCS is far more Liberal than even the girls parents. But they will use this as a case where they go all out. In the mean time true molesters and true abusers have a reunification plan written by DCS.

38 posted on 05/22/2012 9:56:34 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Ueriah

My rule:

No! until your 18

after you are 18, who gives a crap?


39 posted on 05/22/2012 2:23:55 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: trailhkr1; Morgana; null and void

any adult having sex with a 15 year old should be shot.

Adults are supposed to have good judgement and some kind of maturity, these people obviously do not have that.


40 posted on 05/22/2012 2:29:49 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I ran off a lot of pricks that were my daughter's ages, right up until they were 17. I was pretty harsh about it, in some cases, the tattoo artist in particular.

I will always be grateful to my maternal grandfather for running off all the 'hip' dudes my mother liked so much when she was a teenager. When my dad finally showed up, he got the stamp of approval, and the rest is family history.

My own daughter is 14 now, and I've already told her to expect the same from me. Thankfully, she gets it.

41 posted on 05/22/2012 9:17:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
That's why God gave us rocking chairs, front porches, shotguns, shovels leaned against the wall, twitches, and a cleaning kit. Gotta love the smell of Hoppes.

Best time I ever had with the tattoo/hardware guy was when I met him at the 4th of July party at my house. He shook my hand and asked how I was. I held onto his hand way too long, looked him in the eye, and said "About half-lit and carrying a weapon".

He washed dishes for the party after the dinner. And I never saw him again.

/johnny

42 posted on 05/22/2012 9:26:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Best time I ever had with the tattoo/hardware guy was when I met him at the 4th of July party at my house. He shook my hand and asked how I was. I held onto his hand way too long, looked him in the eye, and said "About half-lit and carrying a weapon".

Heh.... I've warned my daughter to expect that sort of thing from me if she ever brings some unworthy fella home.

When I was fifteen I scared off one of my (divorced) mom's wanna-be boyfriends in similar fashion. I'd watched the guy for a while, and had concluded that he was a no good, conniving con artist.

One evening when my mom was out of earshot, I flat out told him that I didn't think my mom was right for him, and that I was a troubled teenager who liked to play with guns.

Never saw hide nor hair of him again.

43 posted on 05/22/2012 9:51:53 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Laugh, and the world laughs with you.

Laugh hysterically for no apparent reason, and the world tends to keep their distance.

I'm a believer in counterintelpro.

Especially where my daughters were concerned.

/johnny

44 posted on 05/22/2012 9:56:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm a believer in counterintelpro. Especially where my daughters were concerned.

You're a good man, my friend. Keep laughing ;-)

45 posted on 05/22/2012 10:23:48 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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